On 19.04.2011 20:41, Jorge Ortega wrote:
(....)
The problem which has been fixed here was a non-existing one: most
people don't know the difference between an app and a window, it
is an extremely abstract concept and people just don't do their
computing like that; people are mainly totally alien to this. Most
people don't know what a file manager is. People do care though
about predictibility: you provoke and action and
expect/hope for some particular reaction.
I agree on that.
I really get tricked by Unity so many times, e.g. when checking
mails: One click to restore the minimized window, and the second
click to minimize it again if there is nothing important - that's
the way I'm used to since so many years.
Walking in this trap either makes you feel stupid or leads to being
frustrated with Unity.
One such is being able to minimize from the same place you used to
launch an app. This is -talking about consistency- just about what
always happens in the rest of the Univers, and this goes for many
version of Windows, all Linux desktops I've laid my hands on, any
other dock I've used, etc. The use is so widely spread that it
should be considered a de-facto standard. Compared to this the
theoretical problem of having multiple or single windows of an
app., etc seems irrelevant.
There is of course the option of having icons for windows no apps
(Gimp being a very obvious exception to this), there is the option
of First click: maximizes all, Second click minimazes all. There
are other options but none should include what there is now.
Just my opinion.
On 19 April 2011 15:15, Marco Biscaro <marcobiscaro2112@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Ian, I think you're right.
applications != windows
An application can have zero or more windows. I think the
question here is consistency:
If your application has just one window, when you click on
the launcher icon, this window will minimize. But if you
have 3 opened windows to that application? What should
happen when you click the launcher icon if:
1. All windows are visible?
2. Two windows are visible and one is already minimized?
3. One window is visible and two are already minimized?
4. All windows are minimized?
Considering that there is just one icon per application, I
think the best way to minimize a window is to click the
minimize button of that window. If I'm not mistaken, this
why clicking on launcher icons doesn't minimize windows.
Besides this, If you want to organize your windows, you can
use the workspaces to arrange them. And use <Super>+D
to show desktop if needed.
On Ter, 2011-04-19 at 07:30 -0600, Ian Santopietro
wrote:
It was my understanding that
the launcher icons only represent apps, and since an
app can't really be minimized (only windows of that
app), they don't do it. It works with Gnome 2 because
the list was a list of windows. It would be clicking
on a Gnome 2 shortcut and having the windows of that
app minimize.
I might be wrong here though.
On Apr 19, 2011 7:19 AM,
"Bazon" <bazonbloch@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Bug 733349] Re: Natty: Unity launcher
buttons should allow to
> minimize apps, not just launch/restore
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:45:08 -0000
> From: Michael <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Bug 733349 <733349@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>
> > I'm sure that if you ask on the Ayatana
mailing list they will be happy
>
>> to explain, and perhaps to discuss, the
reasoning.
>
>
> OK, so here we go:
> Why isn't it possible any more to minimize
windows when clicking a further time on the button
which represents the application?
> That was possible with the Gnome Panel Window
Switcher, it is possible in the XFCE taskbar, it is
possible in Cairo-Dock, it is possible with the MS
Windows taskbar and probably many more.
>
> So why break users expectations?
> You leave the experienced user in frustration
while the inexperienced user will not be mocked by
minimizing on an extra click he probably never makes.
> (Showing and hiding a window quick by clicking
two times on the icon/switcher is a very common
practice.)
>
> I believe it's generally not a good idea that
clicking on an interactive element of your screen
leads to NOTHING.
>
> Some users will wonder whether their system is
responding slow, experienced users who are used to the
minimize behaviour will miss it.
> (and you know, many of them are already
frustrated enough losing Gnome 2 features.....)
>
>
> So please reconsider allowing minimizing windows
by clicking on the launcher.
>
>
>
>>
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> Title:
> Natty: Unity launcher buttons should allow to
minimize apps, not just
> launch/restore
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