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On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote:

> When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it
> take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary
> software to get it to function at 100% efficiency.  I don't have the time to
> fart around and mess with Operating systems and drivers that don't even run
> on a double click from the mouse, nor do I have the time to learn a new
> programing language (although I do know a few), no thank you.

I have expertise in both Windows and Linux.  Windows takes longer. 
Mainly it is the massive amount of reboots between updates and drivers. 
  Also, the install is far to interactive, not set it and forget it.  As 
an aside, the only programming language I know is Perl, and I haven't 
really used in in years.

> Let me give you an example, I installed Ubuntu 10.10RC on an AMD machine
> with an Asus board and an XFX HD 5770.  When it came time to install the ATI
> drivers from ATI, I ran the package and it said nothing to me so I rebooted
> and guess what, it was not installed. So I then proceeded to install the
> third party drivers that Ubuntu suggested.  Well, what a great performing
> card........ It gave 50GFLOPS instead of the 1400GFLOPS Windows gives me.
> I don't have time to fart around for days or weeks to get the machine
> working 100%.

You installed a beta, and it was not perfect?  Really?  And those Vista 
betas were so smooth...  And you had ATI driver problems?  That is 
surely an Ubuntu issue. 
http://www.google.com/search?q=ati+driver+problems  Or maybe not.  And 
why did you go the the ATI website first?  Oh, yes...  You picked up 
that habit from Windows.  In Ubuntu, you go to the repos first.  And 
yes, the ATI Linux drivers are worse than the Windows drivers for many 
ATI cards.  One reason I like nVidia. (On both platforms)

> When Ubuntu is as easy to install as Windows, then I will have another look
> at it.

You want Ubuntu to be as easy for a beginner to install with no 
experience as Windows is for an expert with years of experience.  That 
is the bug...  Unreasonable expectations.  And the thought that 
"Windows" is "Computer" and if you know "Windows" you know "computers." 
  Not so helpfull with Mac, Linux, HP-UX, Aix, Solaris, AS400, VMS, or a 
number of accounting specific systems.  Now if you give the same test to 
your grandmother, I bet Linux is easier.

And this is the reason I responded.  People keep looking at the wrong 
bug.  The bug is that we did not tell you this BEFORE you started.  Now 
it is too late...

-- 
Microsoft has a majority market share
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1
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Bug description:
Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.

Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

Steps to repeat:

1. Visit a local PC store.

What happens:
2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.

What should happen:
1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.