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[Martin Wildam <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 17:20, Tom <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> As i understand it the Unity interface has something crucial or at least more easily implemented than
> other UIs.  Touchscreen.

Could be - have seen impressing videos with Ubuntu on the Phone.
However,

> Unity can catch-up with what power-users want later.  It also offers more opportunities for
> revolutionising the UI in ways other UIs could never hope for.

I hope that I don't have to wait too long for the things I require...


On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 18:28, houstonbofh <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 02/23/2012 10:20 AM, Tom wrote:
>>Unity can catch-up with what power-users want later.
> This is the big mistake. Power users are your base, and a lot of them
> HATE Unity and Gnome 3.

I do not hate Unity - I find a lot of plus but also a lot of minus.
>From my point of view Canonical was too early setting Unity as
default.


> Many of us have halted on 10.04, or have moved
> to XFCE, or KDE (now unsupported...) and these people are no longer able
> to help with questions.  I know that in my case I stoped contributing in
> the newbie forums when my only answer to every post was "Roll back to
> Gnome 2."

Indeed. In my local Ubuntu community most switched to Mint because
they try to still offer a Gnome2 look and feel (which IMHO is of
course only possible with some quirks), some switched to a completely
different distribution or on the way doing so.

I personally do not want to leave Ubuntu because from what I have seen
yet, Ubuntu so far did the best job in my opinion. Of course there are
big challenges today.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 19:19, Tom <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> True.  I don't think this path would have been chosen if there had been any choice about it.  I think we had 2 choices
> 1. stick with Gnome which had no touchscreen support and no intention of building that in any-time in the next few years plus watch Gnome
> 1.a) Watch Gnome head towards where Unity is now
> 1.b) copy Mint's idea of developing a "plugin" for gnome3 to make it look more like gnome2, with an ever increasing amount of work to keep the plugin working
>
> 2. Find something else that did have touchscreen support (or could
> develop it fairly easily) and was willing to be developed in a direction
> that might gain a larger user-share

It's not only about the touch-screen stuff - even just looking at the
desktop, I find Gnome 3 failing in a similar way that when KDE did
their last major release update.


> Mint chose option 1b
> which gives us all at least 1 possible place to go in the short-term but
> it's an untenable position so hopefully Ubuntu's position will prove
> best in the longer-term

Yes, I also think, that Ubuntu has chosen the better path for the longer
term!


> Don't forget that support for the 10.04 LTS lasts until at least 2013,
> April so if the 12.04 LTS is not what we would hope then we still have a
> year more after that.

Probably I should consider sticking a little longer to 10.04 - but I
did not have a look at 12.04 so far, so that is the first step for me!
Be it only to contribute with testing!

Best regards, Martin.
-- 
Martin Wildam

http://sites.google.com/site/mwildam/

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Title:
  Microsoft has a majority market share

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Bug description:
  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
  This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.

  Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
  restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
  limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
  potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

  Steps to repeat:

  1. Visit a local PC store.

  What happens:
  2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
  3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.

  What should happen:
  1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
  2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
  3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.

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