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> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:38:39 +0000
> From: 1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: faldegast@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
> 
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:04, Faldegast <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > perhaps we have to much in the distributions.
> > Do we really need a Firefox package for every distribution?
> > A common packaging of common apps should simplify a lot.
> 
> Yes, that would indeed help. But which one of the existing is the best
> packaging system? Probably there have been already hundreds of
> discussions about that...

There virtually no difference between them and there are build systems 
that generate both .rpm and .deb packages. The simple solution therefore
 is to chose both.


There are some difference between the distibutions and their policies. 
For example fedora/rpm have a "no conflict" policy where debian/ubuntu 
lets the user resolve conflicts. Yum just fail when there is conflicts 
between multiple repos, which can be solved with yum priorities which 
automatically resolves the conflict by choosing the package from the 
most prioritized repo. This makes yum more suitable for scripted updates
 - and is as far as I can see the only difference in functionality.


However my vote goes for using a build system that support both deb and
rpm and generate both apt and yum repositories.

> 
> 
> > Windows is slow, heavy and "bloated" because it is monolithic and not
> > optimized. [...]
> > The MinWin team is improving on this but it will take time....
> 
> For sure, M$ will not sleep. Linux community should also look ahead. -
> I am confident.

Microsoft is probably very aware of any advantage that the Linux
community has, and makes plans on how to nullify those advantages.
MinWin is such a project and is a requirement for making a neat package-
able operating system. MSI packgages are nice, but has far less
functionality then .deb/.rpm. It does not have a prowerful way to handle
dependencies or update repositories. I am sure Microsoft knows this but
before MinWin is complete they have no use of such package management
because they will have to build blobs anyway.

The Linux community should also look ahead and I think the best way to
do that is the common repos. When we can focus all resources on one repo
we will free all those resources that goes into building multiple
versions of everything and can use that time for other awesomeness.

Also i think we should focus on one single desktop environment and I
think we are currently going that way. When KDE and Gmome went useless I
turned to LXDE which suffer from slow development. When Qt Desktop came
around i switched to that and stayed. Its development cycle are short
and I really think it will fill the void of what KDE and Gnome used to
be. However it will take months or years before we really know if that's
gonna happen.

Remember that the Windows FOSS community have a single desktop
environment - LiteStep.

> 
> Best regards, Martin.
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> Title:
>   Microsoft has a majority market share
> 
> Status in Club Distro:
>   Confirmed
> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
>   Confirmed
> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
>   New
> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
>   Invalid
> Status in dylan.NET:
>   Invalid
> Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
>   Invalid
> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
>   Invalid
> Status in JAK LINUX:
>   Invalid
> Status in LibreOffice:
>   In Progress
> Status in The Linux Kernel:
>   New
> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
>   In Progress
> Status in The Linux OS Project:
>   In Progress
> Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
>   In Progress
> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
>   In Progress
> Status in Tabuntu:
>   Invalid
> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
>   Invalid
> Status in Tv-Player:
>   Invalid
> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
>   In Progress
> Status in Ubuntu:
>   In Progress
> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
>   In Progress
> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
>   Invalid
> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
>   Invalid
> Status in Arch Linux:
>   New
> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
>   Invalid
> Status in “linux” package in Debian:
>   In Progress
> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
>   Confirmed
> Status in openSUSE:
>   In Progress
> Status in Tilix Linux:
>   New
> 
> Bug description:
>   Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
>   This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
> 
>   Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
>   restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
>   limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
>   potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
> 
>   Steps to repeat:
> 
>   1. Visit a local PC store.
> 
>   What happens:
>   2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
>   3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
> 
>   What should happen:
>   1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
>   2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
>   3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
> 
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Title:
  Microsoft has a majority market share

Status in Club Distro:
  Confirmed
Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
  Confirmed
Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
  New
Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
  Invalid
Status in dylan.NET:
  Invalid
Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
  Invalid
Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
  Invalid
Status in JAK LINUX:
  Invalid
Status in LibreOffice:
  In Progress
Status in The Linux Kernel:
  New
Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
  In Progress
Status in The Linux OS Project:
  In Progress
Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
  In Progress
Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
  In Progress
Status in Tabuntu:
  Invalid
Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
  Invalid
Status in Tv-Player:
  Invalid
Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
  In Progress
Status in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
  Invalid
Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
  Invalid
Status in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
  Invalid
Status in “linux” package in Debian:
  In Progress
Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
  Confirmed
Status in openSUSE:
  In Progress
Status in Tilix Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
  This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.

  Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
  restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
  limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
  potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

  Steps to repeat:

  1. Visit a local PC store.

  What happens:
  2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
  3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.

  What should happen:
  1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
  2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
  3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.

To manage notifications about this bug go to:
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