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[Shaun Husain <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ah sorry to spam after an already long e-mail but one other group I left
out that I wanted in the list
Gamers, but I believe this will only follow consumer demands like the
hardware vendors, since only when there's an audience will a game
development company put money into it.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Shaun Husain
<shaun.husain@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I believe the major issue is lack of consumer software available in the
> Linux community.  I'm not saying that I don't find tons of open source
> projects and some of high quality, but there's nothing to compete with the
> top of the line proprietary graphics and audio software available on
> Windows and Mac.  For a developer Linux makes the most sense, it's
> lightweight and therefore fast and can run Eclipse and other full on IDEs
> and generally there's a compiler available for every language and to target
> many systems (VMs or Processors).  So for a dev like myself it makes
> perfect sense, however for someone I work with who strictly does creative
> work, ever having to deal with the command line is probably too much to
> ask.  They have lots of work to do and if the software available doesn't
> make their work as fast as it can be on a Windows or Mac OS machine then it
> just can't sell.  Believe me I'm all for Linux and FOSS and Ubuntu, but I
> think for it to really happen the open source community needs to step up
> the game with regard to media editing/creation software (ffmpeg is great
> but explain it to a video editor, granted the video editing GUIs for Ubuntu
> I've found are very fast, but just lack advanced features).
>
> As it stands today I think we have the following large groups of computer
> users:
> Developers | Love Linux, works great for them, all the tools you need
> nothing you don't, fast, easy customization.
> System Admins | Love Linux, works great for them, cheap solution good
> performance good security history can run J2EE and other enterprise scale
> application servers/containers.
> General Public (mom & pop) | Are frightened of change, have been fed the
> Windows bread all their professional lives.  Linux can work for them and
> well but they need some help to get started (e-mail, web-browsing all
> great, UI is easy enough for these tasks, it's fast did I mention that).
> Media/Content Creators | Tools are not up to par cannot really use Linux
> on a Day to Day basis simply because the tools are not refined or in-depth
> enough to match their Windows/Mac OS counter-parts.
>
> If a corporation like the one I work for was offered the opportunity to
> have all of their employees work without licensing costs for OS upgrades
> and knowing everyone is getting the best bang for their buck out of their
> hardware, and would be supporting just 1 open source OS, I don't think
> anyone would be complaining and this bug would dissolve quickly.  I believe
> LibreOffice/OpenOffice are good alternatives to MS Office and the e-mail
> clients are fine, I think another major area that needs to be addressed by
> the open source community is Exchange server.  GMail has made some strides
> in providing a replacement but it's not 100% in terms of group contact
> management and other features that Exchange offers for businesses.  So I
> say we create the following and get this bug closed.
>
> Replacement for the following:
>
> Final Cut/Premiere
> Pro Tools
> Exchange/Outlook
> Photoshop
> Illustrator
>
> Here's the list I can come up with of possible replacements in Ubuntu, but
> none seem totally up to par:
>
> Video editing
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/ (I've
> used KDen live not the others here, it was as I said above fast but not
> feature full)
> Audio editing Rezound or Audacity, Rezound seems to be dead with regard to
> development, Audacity is okay but again not great UX/UI interactions and
> not a ton of features.
> In terms of Mail servers I believe they're just missing the calendar side
> of exchange, and contact management/integration in Active Directory, though
> perhaps there's an alternative for that I'm unaware of
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer I've also heard good things
> about Citadel and Zimbra and had a brief stint playing with Zimbra but got
> caught up in other work, some others talking about it here:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1231456
> Photo Editing: GIMP, decent but hard learning curve, kind of slow to start
> up and generally work-flow in PhotoShop seems to be smoother, although this
> coming from someone who has used PhotoShop far more.
> SVG editor: Inkscape, haven't used this one honestly just assuming from
> what I've heard from those who have that it's not as easy to use as
> Illustrator (granted the Adobe suite has been refined by paid engineers for
> some time and is still a resource hog)
>
> I think hardware vendors will support Linux more once consumers demand it,
> and not before.
>
> So yah currently that's my two cents.  Please respond and tell me how
> wrong I am and point me towards all the bad ass software I'm missing out on
> :).
>
>
> Thanks for reading if you got through that,
> -Shaun
>
> PS I would love a Lenovo with Ubuntu pre-installed (and no Windows OEM fee
> to boot).
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:32 AM, MDV <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> In Australia there is a bug in the education system where the only OS
>> they seem to use is Windows XP or 7. At a Tafe open day I asked if their
>> network supported Ubuntu, the guy pauses and says no.
>>
>> This bug is everywhere I look!
>>
>> The Australian DET will not allow any Linux distrobutions to connect to
>> the internet, they allow Macs as well, but not a single Linux!
>>
>> To fix this bug:
>> - There should be at least 1 Linux computer per Computer room. (The Win7
>> Computers are so restrictive it's not funny)
>> - Preferably they should remove this propiatary bias and allow to learn
>> about an OS that will allow them to learn about it.
>> - Even more preferable, remove Microsofts greedy corporate grip off of
>> everyone, and get rid of Windows!
>>
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>>
>> Title:
>>   Microsoft has a majority market share
>>
>> Status in Club Distro:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
>>   New
>> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in dylan.NET:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in JAK LINUX:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in LibreOffice:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Linux Kernel:
>>   New
>> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Linux OS Project:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Tabuntu:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Tv-Player:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Ubuntu:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in Arch Linux:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
>>   Invalid
>> Status in “linux” package in Debian:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
>>   Confirmed
>> Status in openSUSE:
>>   In Progress
>> Status in Tilix Linux:
>>   New
>>
>> Bug description:
>>   Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
>>   This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.
>>
>>   Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
>>   restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
>>   limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
>>   potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
>>
>>   Steps to repeat:
>>
>>   1. Visit a local PC store.
>>
>>   What happens:
>>   2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software
>> pre-installed.
>>   3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.
>>
>>   What should happen:
>>   1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software
>> like Ubuntu.
>>   2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features
>> and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
>>   3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.
>>
>> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions
>>
>
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Title:
  Microsoft has a majority market share

Status in Club Distro:
  Confirmed
Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
  Confirmed
Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite:
  New
Status in dylan.NET.Reflection:
  Invalid
Status in dylan.NET:
  Invalid
Status in EasyPeasy Overview:
  Invalid
Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians:
  Invalid
Status in JAK LINUX:
  Invalid
Status in LibreOffice:
  In Progress
Status in The Linux Kernel:
  New
Status in The Linux Mint Distribution:
  In Progress
Status in The Linux OS Project:
  In Progress
Status in The Metacity Window Manager:
  In Progress
Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite:
  In Progress
Status in Tabuntu:
  Invalid
Status in A simple player to online TV streaming:
  Invalid
Status in Tv-Player:
  Invalid
Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project:
  In Progress
Status in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress
Status in The Jaunty Jackalope:
  Invalid
Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty:
  Invalid
Status in Arch Linux:
  Confirmed
Status in Baltix GNU/Linux:
  Invalid
Status in “linux” package in Debian:
  In Progress
Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS:
  Confirmed
Status in openSUSE:
  In Progress
Status in Tilix Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
  This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.

  Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry,
  restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and
  limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full
  potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

  Steps to repeat:

  1. Visit a local PC store.

  What happens:
  2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
  3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.

  What should happen:
  1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
  2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
  3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.

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