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[Martin Wildam <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Graham <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> You are basically saying it's better to stay with the devil you know.

I did not want to say, that I find it better to stay with the devil I
know - that's the behaviour of the users (regardless what the users
say, that's the behaviour I observe.


> I disagree because my experiences are not like yours.
> Firstly, I never recommend removing a users current installation and
> leaving them with something they are unfamiliar.

I always help them a lot in the beginning - I don't leave them alone.
However, of course, it is the unfamiliar thing in the beginning.


> I always set up machines to dual boot and leave them with the option to
> go back to their existing installation.
> This has a very high switchover rate, since they can compare one to the
> other and find the Linux installation is far more reliable and
> dependable.

I never do dual-boot installations - tried it a few times and it is
additional complexity added. However, maybe I should try your way of
offering the dual-boot.


> I talking about housewives, psychiatrists, clergymen, plumbers, care workers.
> These are the people I have deployed to and they do not look back.

I cannot say that I have such a wide-spread target audience. I think
there are two types of "normal users": Those who are interested in
computers and do more than just email and web-surfing and those who
are not. The latter is usually no problem to migrate. - However, this
is always home users somehow where in general is less problematic. The
problems arise when you have people who are e.g. working as
freelancers and need to communicate a lot with other companies.


>From your post, it seems you actually do not have any Linux experience to compare.

Oh I have several different experiences: I do manage the server at a
very small company (3-4 people) and I helped migrating users with less
and with more IT knowledge. - Far not so many as you - I think, but
enough to know the pitfalls, as I can look back also to a few failures
also (failure in the sense, that people did not continue to use Ubuntu
or still use it for particular tasks only).

I myself are facing the biggest hurdles as I am running my Ubuntu in a
Windows-only environment in the office where whole IT department is
fully Microsoft-conform.

Just to make it clear: I do not want to say, that Linux or Ubuntu is
failing. It's just that I am experiencing more issues during the last
months than before. So this is, why I don't even understand the
efforts put into discussions of shopping lenses and the like - such
things are worth discussing and implementing when everything else is
running fine.

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Title:
  Microsoft has a majority market share

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Bug description:
  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
  marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant
  to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is
  driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to
  all."

  "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world."
       * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy

  Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and
  concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into
  the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles
  innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious
  anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic
  practices.

  This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

  Steps to repeat:

      1. Visit a local PC store.
      2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.

  What happens:

  Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-
  installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating
  system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be
  proprietary.

  What should happen:

  A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

       * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
       * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
       * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd

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