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[Tom <1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi :)
The problem is that people are comparing installing Ubuntu against using a system that is already installed for them.  


A pre-installed systems means you don't have to do anything to install it.  Of course that is easier than installing it yourself!  


I'm not quite sure about the quality issue.  

1.  Bug-reports:  Is there anywhere you can look up how many bug-reports
have been filed against non-unix-based systems?  Do any Windows users
know how to post bug-reports against their system?  Is it positively
encouraged and made easy to post them?  How many of the 100K are
duplicates or likely to be fixed by fixing the same bit of code?  Do all
the 100K affect Ubuntu or are some against other distros?

2.  Works anywhere:  Errr, everywhere i have installed Ubuntu it works
well.  I even have a full install on a usb-stick (not a LiveUsb so it
doesn't do hardware checking so thoroughly) that seems to work in every
machine (not tried it on a Win8 on yet)

3.  Malware:  Ubuntu never suffers from this.  Mac seems to get 1 or 2
every couple of years.  Android and Blackberry seem fairly immune too.


Also what do we consider as competitors, as rivals?  Mac, Android, Blackberry, Bsd and other unix-based OSes seem to operate as fair competition.  Each has a niche.  Each, to some extent, operates in co-operative competition for/against each other.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  




>________________________________
> From: A. Denton <>
>Sent: Sunday, 26 May 2013, 2:40
>
> 
>The bugs name should be altered. I think Microsoft is just one player in
>this game. Have you realized some things changed since the 90's? Just
>imagine... Oracle took over Sun, Apple released OS 10 (X) and BSD is a
>powerful and usable OS . :-]
>
>Seriously guys I think Microsoft is not the biggest problem we have and
>neither is Apple or some other company. The biggest problem right now is
>'us'. I think we have a problem with Linux, with quality and with the
>direction in which things are going. Yes, I say we have a problem with
>quality and 100k+ bugs here. We have a problem with users still making a
>valid point in saying Ubuntu is to hard to install and to yet not usable
>in the same way and everywhere like the systems of our competitors.
>
>All that is not Microsoft's fault. And even a major market share for a
>dinosaur like them is not a problem in the first place. However it
>matters whether our quality is better or not. Bill Gates was wrong when
>he replied to Jobs in the 80's that it doesn't matter. It does matter –
>you can see it yourself!
>
>

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Title:
  Microsoft has a majority market share

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  Confirmed
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Bug description:
  Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
  marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant
  to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is
  driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to
  all."

  "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world."
       * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy

  Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and
  concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into
  the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles
  innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious
  anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic
  practices.

  This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

  Steps to repeat:

      1. Visit a local PC store.
      2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.

  What happens:

  Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-
  installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating
  system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be
  proprietary.

  What should happen:

  A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.

       * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
       * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
       * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd

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