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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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On 2007-10-11T18:19:17+00:00 Wine-z wrote:
Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
A lot of software depends on the win32 api, so wine should eventually
have to be the most popular implementation of it.
This idea came from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 ;-)
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/481
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On 2007-10-11T18:23:42+00:00 Jan-wine wrote:
This depends on having very good and complete documentation. Currently
even though msdn contains many errors their documentation is more
complete.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/482
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On 2007-10-11T18:28:37+00:00 Alexandre Julliard wrote:
Actually the Wine source code is a much better documentation of the
Win32 API than MSDN...
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/483
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On 2007-10-11T18:36:13+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote:
We can do it without extra documentation, we just have
to write lots of conformance tests to see how MS win32
behaves.
Setting "Difficulty" field.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/484
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On 2007-10-11T18:40:55+00:00 Detlef wrote:
Created attachment 8519
Windows API Documentation test
The Windows API Documentation test failed
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/485
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On 2007-10-11T22:31:29+00:00 Jan-wine wrote:
Yes conformance tests are the first step. And yes the source code is
good to find out what happens. But that is not a replacement for good
documentation in written prose ( http://source.winehq.org/WineAPI/ ).
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/486
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On 2007-10-12T15:39:00+00:00 Dmitry-baikal wrote:
What is this bug about? Is it a joke to just take a bug with number 10000?
I'm tempted to close it as invalid.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/487
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On 2007-10-14T05:07:47+00:00 Dmitry-baikal wrote:
Popularity is not a technical merit. Closing as invalid.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/490
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On 2007-10-14T05:08:00+00:00 Dmitry-baikal wrote:
Closing.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/491
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On 2008-03-18T15:50:35+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote:
Think of this bug as a milestone rather than a conventional bug.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/622
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On 2008-06-18T01:24:57+00:00 Wine-z wrote:
*** Bug 13396 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/711
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On 2008-06-18T03:11:45+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote:
Still an issue with wine-1.0.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/712
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On 2008-12-15T19:53:19+00:00 Austin English wrote:
Still present in git.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/944
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On 2009-03-03T00:13:09+00:00 Rafał Rzepecki wrote:
I can confirm as of 1.1.16.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1034
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On 2009-03-18T23:42:06+00:00 Sorceror wrote:
I can't reproduce this bug, and haven't been able to for about 5 years
or so. Does anyone have steps to reproduce? I suspect it has something
to do with me deleting my Windows install from my desktop ...
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1036
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On 2009-03-18T23:46:19+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote:
1. Visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
2. Note that the wedge devoted to Linux is too small to see with the naked eye.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1037
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On 2009-03-19T03:03:46+00:00 Sorceror wrote:
You're such a buzzkill, Dan ;)
I can see the wedge fine, but it doesn't prove much. It's very
difficult, if not impossible, to accurately measure OS shares, partly
due to the fact that Linux is free so you can't go by number of
sales/downloads.
With webservers logging user-agents, things like user-agent spoofing
(User-Agent Switcher extension in Firefox, and built in to browsers like
Opera and Konqueror) skew the results in favour of Windows. Even Wine
Gecko will register as <insert Windows version here> in the user-agent
string.
Regardless, this bug is not apparent *for me*. I can't speak for the
rest of the world, but the alternative win32 implementation irritates me
much more than Wine does :)
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1038
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On 2009-03-19T14:49:53+00:00 Dan Kegel wrote:
Web server access logs are a pretty good measure, and they show
that this bug is still definitely a problem. As you point out,
non-windows systems are now capable, but that wasn't the bug;
the bug is that fewer people are using them than are using Windows.
And that's demonstrably still true.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1039
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On 2009-07-12T20:10:42+00:00 Lukasz wrote:
The Bug still present under 1.1.25. But not affect my life at all.
Hardcore solve (may can help someone, but can make also your life hard):
- make a list of at least ten friends using win32 api
- find out when they are not at home
- delete MS:W$
- install linux
Some of them may not see the diffrence. But after some time of using
linux they may consider "hey, where is my bluescreen? And why my OS is
working so fast? Where are my viruses?" etc. Than you can explain what
you did. I suppose they won't install W$ again. But if The Bug returns -
try again.
Hope it helped. Good luck!
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1067
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On 2009-10-17T10:51:36+00:00 Zilforever wrote:
Im using WindowsXP because of games.
Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC :(.
Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under Wine. If Wine and drivers would be optimized?
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1081
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On 2009-10-17T11:15:52+00:00 Sorceror wrote:
(In reply to comment #19)
> Until games will be multi OS or games will work with Wine, I need both OS on PC
> :(.
You may be interested in www.linuxgamepublishing.com.
> Question: In theory, can windows games can run faster or at least equal under
> Wine.
Yes and this does happen sometimes. In some cases, it's due to OpenGL
running faster on Linux systems in general (typically thanks to nVidia's
drivers) but other factors include better memory and process management
in Linux compared to Windows.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1082
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On 2010-04-06T04:53:30+00:00 ruediix@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
This is obviously an excellent milestone goal.
Getting full support for Win32 standards to the vast majority of
Alternative OSs will really be the first step towards this.
The main disadvantage right now is that people feel safe with their
applications and don't want to switch them all to switch OSs.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1117
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On 2011-05-19T17:02:17+00:00 Olof-nord wrote:
Issue still persists in latest wine (1.3.20). Have not tried the
solution proposed in comment 18 though.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1521
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On 2012-03-25T15:21:00+00:00 Hverbeet wrote:
IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project
goal purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting
conversation to have at some point though.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1670
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On 2013-02-07T15:13:04+00:00 Andre_H wrote:
This might be fixed already for ARM or will be fixed for ARM at some
point, just have a look what's going on with Windows RT.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1811
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On 2013-03-04T15:53:43+00:00 ruediix@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
(In reply to comment #23)
> IMHO this should be closed WONTFIX as popularity shouldn't be a project goal
> purely on its own. I suppose "project goals" may be an interesting conversation
> to have at some point though.
I think we will close this as NOTABUG once Wine functions more reliably
and accurately than the more popular Win32 platform, as then it will be
an issue with the keyboard to chair interface, or more often the case,
the controlling process of the keyboard to chair interface.
With the bugs pouring in on the latest version of that competing
platform, with it's developer denying the existence of said bugs and
even large companies like Valve refusing to work around those bugs, our
job may have just gotten a lot easier.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1812
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On 2015-03-14T05:00:12+00:00 Shubhambtps wrote:
Comment on attachment 8519
Windows API Documentation test
What are we supposed to do with this bug because i don't think it's a
real bug.
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1926
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On 2017-12-23T10:40:04+00:00 Rebe wrote:
The original implementation removed .hlp file support (Win32help.exe).
The option to reinstall the app only works for Win <10. Wine continues
to support the legacy format. Some bugs remaining e.g. #29579 #14286
#14296 #14299
Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1966
** Changed in: wine
Status: Unknown => Confirmed
** Changed in: wine
Importance: Unknown => Wishlist
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Title:
Microsoft has a majority market share
Status in Clubdistro:
Confirmed
Status in Computer Science Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Status in LibreOffice:
New
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Invalid
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Status in Linux:
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Status in ReactOS Core Operating System:
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Status in Tabuntu:
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Status in Tivion:
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Status in Tv-Player:
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Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team:
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Status in Wine:
Confirmed
Status in Ubuntu:
Fix Released
Status in Arch Linux:
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Status in Baltix:
Confirmed
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In Progress
Status in Fedora:
Confirmed
Status in Fluxbuntu:
Confirmed
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In Progress
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Bug description:
See Mark's closure comment here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1/comments/1834
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Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC
marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant
to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is
driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to
all."
"Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world."
* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and
concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into
the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles
innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious
anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic
practices.
This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.
Steps to repeat:
1. Visit a local PC store.
2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software.
What happens:
Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre-
installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating
system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be
proprietary.
What should happen:
A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software.
* http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
* http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
* http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
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