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[Bug 829921] Re: offensive use of 'English'

 

Hi Max,

Thanks for your help to make Ubuntu better by posting this observation.

Actually, the country _is_ specified for all the available English
translation variants. On my box I see these items:

English (Australia)
English (Canada)
English (New Zeeland)
English (United Kingdom)
English (United States)

In addition to those menu items Language Support lists also an English
only (i.e. without country) special item. The latter serves as a
separator between languages that are included in the LANGUAGE
environment variable and the other languages. Its purpose is not to mean
"English as spoken in the US".

OTOH, if somebody selects the non-country English item, Ubuntu still has
to pick a proper locale name to put into the LC_MESSAGES environment
variable, and it's configured to pick en_US.UTF-8 in that case. The
reason for not having it pick en_GB.UTF-8 is of a practical nature:
en_US is assumed to be available on more computers worldwide than en_GB.

A similar topic was previously discussed at bug #710148, btw.

You may want to click the "Help" button from the Language Support window
for a description of how Language Support is intended to work.

Considering the above explanation, I hope you agree that there is no
obvious bug to fix.

** Changed in: language-selector (Ubuntu)
     Assignee: (unassigned) => Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj)

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Title:
  offensive use of 'English'

Status in “language-selector” package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  I have been presented with a window 'Language Support' that lists
  'Language for menus and windows:' and instructs me to 'Drag languages
  to arrange them in order of preference.

  It lists these languages:

  "
  English (United Kingdom)
  English
  English (Australia)
  "

  I could claim that the first two entries are duplicates, but this
  would seem to be a case of using 'English' to mean the variant used in
  the USA. As I am English, I find this offensive since English is
  English - the UK contains several countries each with their own
  language. So, IMO, the correct list should be :

  "
  English
  English (United States)
  English (Australia)
  "

  However, I realise that is confusing to people from the United States
  and that they are likely the majority in terms of English (variant)
  speakers. The usual 'solution' is to always specify the variant, ie :

  "
  English (United Kingdom)
  English (United States)
  English (Australian)
  "

  Please consider making the fix.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
  Package: language-selector-gnome 0.34.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-11.48-generic-pae 2.6.38.8
  Uname: Linux 2.6.38-11-generic-pae i686
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Sat Aug 20 09:57:49 2011
  ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/gnome-language-selector
  InterpreterPath: /usr/bin/python2.7
  PackageArchitecture: all
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
   PATH=(custom, user)
   LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: language-selector
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to natty on 2011-08-12 (7 days ago)

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