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[Dylan McCall <dylanmccall@xxxxxxxxx>]

Swâmi, if you want to file these as separate issues, then, please do.
The bug tracker is not a web forum, and it is not effective to track
sixteen different bullet points in a single bug report. It's already
apparent why that is; I marked your entire bug report as an opinion, but
in fact the multiple Ubuntu One icons is a real bug. (Bug #838778).
Besides, you'll find that lots of people are quite happy with this shell
(and this is where things are being actively developed), so it isn't
going to be reverted because you filed a bug report that dismisses
months of work without so much as a hint that you have looked into why
it is the way it is. Or, more important, much explanation of why things
are bad except that they are in different places. What we _can_ do is
work together to improve this, but we need to use the right tools and
it'll really help if you look a little deeper.

Unfortunately I don't have time to find the links to discussions on this
stuff (though they do exist), but I'm going to point out a few things
you might want to know about why this is the way it is.

The goal for System Settings is to offer, specifically, settings that
one would think of as core to the system; not to specific applications,
and not for things that can be removed. So, it doesn't have System
Monitor, Synaptic, Software Center, Update Manager, Disk Utility,
Network Tools, Logs Viewer, etc. because those are more system-level
tools. These can be found as ordinary applications under the System
Tools category.

Computer Janitor and Synaptic are no longer installed by default this
cycle, for various reasons you can find on the wiki. You can find them
in Software Centre.

Gparted was never installed by default; it should only be on the live
CD. If you're seeing it in a fresh install, it would be really great if
you file a bug report using ubuntu-bug gparted.

Gnome Screensaver has been on its way out for a while, really. If you
want a screensaver, I suggest you check out xscreensaver. There will
probably be some more action once Oneiric is out there.

We have never had a config panel to choose which login screen you use.
This is an option that will be interesting to someone who knows what a
display manager is and can handle a web search and a config file or two.
Debian handles this fairly well when you install or remove the various
DM packages, where it will offer to change for you and switch back
automatically when you remove the current one.

I think you have a good point about the personal network shares, and if
you have the time it would be worth bringing up in a unique bug report.
This is definitely in development (and there is lots to come), so it is
possible that feature just didn't make it for this cycle. Don't lose
hope!

I think for the remote desktop server, the argument would be that it is
a pretty distinct service so it doesn't fit under system settings.
There's a bit of a fuzzy line between what we think of as system and
what we think of as application level settings. You can find it, and
Disk Utility, in the the Dash or the Applications menu.

I'm not saying your opinions are invalid, and I am not trying to argue
with you. (Except on the point that a lot of these are opinions and this
is never going to work as a bug report. On that, I am quite certain I am
right). I am just giving you some ideas to help you understand this
approach to system settings a little better. There is certainly a bit of
a transition going on around this, so any help is appreciated. And if
you're reporting on existing stuff, just make sure you follow the guide
at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs. That way you'll know
that you are using the right tool for the job.

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/858888

Title:
  [Oneiric] Poor man's control center

Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Upgrading from Natty to Oneiric, and furthermore, comparing Natty and
  Oneiric's machines, it's really impressive to notice how many features
  have been lost in Gnome's Control Center, making Oneiric's one truly a
  "Poor man's control center".

  For example :

  - No Screen Saver config in Oneiric (this one misses SO MUCH !)
  - No Connection Window DM (GDM/LightDM...) config in Oneiric
  - No Remote Desktop config icon...
  - No "personal network shares" icon...
  - No CompizConfig integration...
  - No HD utility icon...
  - No Gparted icon...
  - No Synaptic / Package manager icon...
  - No system monitor icon...
  - No Computer janitor icon...
  - No Network tools icon...
  - No logs viewer icon...
  - No password and keys management icon...

  Many icons lead to poor or incomplete panels (energy / screen are very
  poor...)

  So WTF is left ? Is this the new iPad control panel or whatever ?

  OTOH:
  - The default applications are set in a completely stupid place ("System Information")

  And OTOH:
  - 2 different "Keyboard" and "Keyboard layout" icons in 2 different sections of Oneiric's CC: Makes no sense
  - 2 "Ubuntu One" icons in Oneiric's CC: why not three ?

  And OTOH:
  - "Displays" and "Startup Applications" have migrated into the User Menu, where they have nothing to do (and will be very rarely used for most people except executives using videoprojectors for presentations, most of which don't use Linux anyway...) so we congest and clutter a menu with useless stuff for no reason.

  
  What a mess !

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10
  Package: gnome-control-center 1:3.1.92-0ubuntu6
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.0.0-11.18-generic 3.0.4
  Uname: Linux 3.0.0-11-generic i686
  ApportVersion: 1.23-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  CheckboxSubmission: 1ea6109db29b53f721a523a77b7f3abf
  CheckboxSystem: d00f84de8a555815fa1c4660280da308
  Date: Sun Sep 25 15:01:09 2011
  EcryptfsInUse: Yes
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429)
  ProcEnviron:
   LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_US:en
   PATH=(custom, user)
   LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: gnome-control-center
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to oneiric on 2011-09-04 (20 days ago)
  usr_lib_gnome-control-center:
   deja-dup           19.92-0ubuntu2
   gnome-bluetooth    3.1.92-0ubuntu1
   indicator-datetime 0.2.95-0ubuntu1

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