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Message #23572
[Bug 858888] Re: [Oneiric] Poor man's control center
Thanks for your time and explanations Dylan.
Obviously we disagree on some aspects, I'm not going to answer in too
long here because you're right on one point : a bug reporting tool is
not a web forum, so this is surely not the right place for arguing for
pages.
So I'm first being more specific just on a short technical point : About
the DM. Previous Ubuntu releases did not have a config tool for choosing
WHICH DM to use (you're right) but they DID have a config tool to
configure HOW the default DM (which was GDM) behaved, i.e.:
- Should we list the existing users and let the user click, or have the user type the username ?
- Should we have autologin for a given user name ?
- After some timeout or immediately ?
- Etc.
This DID exist in Natty Control Panel and previously. This has
disappeared in Oneiric.
About the fact of having to file several separate bug reports for all
this, OTOH, I strongly disagree with you. IMHO the "Control Panel" is
ONE thing, seing it having lost 80% of its contents is ONE issue. Thus
ONE bug report - even though every single lost icon could be considered
separately, seing an almost empty control panel where it used to be
pretty full and complete is ONE issue from a user (not a developper)
standpoint.
Developpers can ask users to cooperate and file bug reports. Users like
myself do spend much time beta-testing stuff and filing bug reports
(which doesn't always receive wife-approval ;-) - for the good of all
the Ubuntu community.
But once a bug report is filed, it's extremely demotivating, as the bug
reporter, to be told "so instead of one bug report about this, please
file 3 others about this, that, and there".
As a (stupid) user, I find an issue, I report the issue. If I'm asked
for more precisions, logs, screenshots, I'll give them happily. But it's
definitely not the user's business to sort things out further. It's a
developper's issue, it's a distro maintainer's issue, etc, to dispatch a
given existing bug report into pieces if needed. The user has no clue -
and doesn't need to have any - in the way the engine is built.
So IMHO an almost empty Control Panel is ONE issue. Please feel free to
dispatch it into several sub-issues if you feel so, but don't tell me
this report is invalid in itself.
Kind regards.
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Title:
[Oneiric] Poor man's control center
Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Bug description:
Upgrading from Natty to Oneiric, and furthermore, comparing Natty and
Oneiric's machines, it's really impressive to notice how many features
have been lost in Gnome's Control Center, making Oneiric's one truly a
"Poor man's control center".
For example :
- No Screen Saver config in Oneiric (this one misses SO MUCH !)
- No Connection Window DM (GDM/LightDM...) config in Oneiric
- No Remote Desktop config icon...
- No "personal network shares" icon...
- No CompizConfig integration...
- No HD utility icon...
- No Gparted icon...
- No Synaptic / Package manager icon...
- No system monitor icon...
- No Computer janitor icon...
- No Network tools icon...
- No logs viewer icon...
- No password and keys management icon...
Many icons lead to poor or incomplete panels (energy / screen are very
poor...)
So WTF is left ? Is this the new iPad control panel or whatever ?
OTOH:
- The default applications are set in a completely stupid place ("System Information")
And OTOH:
- 2 different "Keyboard" and "Keyboard layout" icons in 2 different sections of Oneiric's CC: Makes no sense
- 2 "Ubuntu One" icons in Oneiric's CC: why not three ?
And OTOH:
- "Displays" and "Startup Applications" have migrated into the User Menu, where they have nothing to do (and will be very rarely used for most people except executives using videoprojectors for presentations, most of which don't use Linux anyway...) so we congest and clutter a menu with useless stuff for no reason.
What a mess !
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10
Package: gnome-control-center 1:3.1.92-0ubuntu6
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.0.0-11.18-generic 3.0.4
Uname: Linux 3.0.0-11-generic i686
ApportVersion: 1.23-0ubuntu1
Architecture: i386
CheckboxSubmission: 1ea6109db29b53f721a523a77b7f3abf
CheckboxSystem: d00f84de8a555815fa1c4660280da308
Date: Sun Sep 25 15:01:09 2011
EcryptfsInUse: Yes
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_US:en
PATH=(custom, user)
LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: gnome-control-center
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to oneiric on 2011-09-04 (20 days ago)
usr_lib_gnome-control-center:
deja-dup 19.92-0ubuntu2
gnome-bluetooth 3.1.92-0ubuntu1
indicator-datetime 0.2.95-0ubuntu1
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