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[Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx>]

Matthieu I am always enthusiastic :-)  And of course I will participate ...

On 10 October 2014 13:18, Matthieu Pinard (UiO) <matthiep@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> *Jason*,
> yeah, I'm reading through the FAQ etc and I'll suggest a phasing to make
> our best to reach each of the stages.
>
> Here is the rough plan: Once the mailing list info@ is informed I will
> publish on FB. Then I suggest that you or webLars (we need someone with
> enough legitimacy) will announce that on our mailing lists. Then we need to
> monitor and encourage ;).
>
> *Bob*,
> I love your enthusiasm :P. I will not try too hard to convince you and
> hope that you will join the effort ;). Just a couple of things:
> - yes mailing lists will still be part of the our community support tools
> - on the bright side, this forum, if we succeed to make it a true and
> sustainable DHIS2 Expert Q&A site will have a great and positive impact on
> knowledge sharing among the community member (beautiful).
>
> Cheers,
> Matthieu
>
>
> Matthieu Pinard
> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo
>
> On 10 October 2014 13:54, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I have something of an aversion to forums for all things, but I can see
>> they might have their place.  Many of the questions raised on the users
>> list (some of which filter into the developers list) as well as the even
>> more common private mail requests might well lend itself to this sort of
>> format.  Whether we have sufficient traffic to drive some of these social
>> engineering engines in a meaningful way or not I am not sure, but perhaps
>> no harm in trying.  One of the potential issues with forums is how to get
>> back off again (with the data) if we decide it wasn't such a good idea at
>> all.  Perhaps this should also be a factor to consider when selecting a
>> forum platform.
>>
>> Having said that, there is still a place for mailing lists for discussion
>> (rather than Q&A).  For example, the sysadmin list suggested by Steven, and
>> which seems to have attracted some interest, I think would work better in a
>> list format, at least at formative stage.  Over time there will be nuggets
>> mined from the list which can form the basis of a more dynamic faq/forum
>> type thing.
>>
>> As a minor aside, there is perhaps an interesting gender perspective to
>> this (and I believe possibly also age).  In some research that was done
>> some years back (to which I have no reference but I remember well!) the
>> problem of women's participation in free/open source projects was
>> examined.  The level of women's participation was known then (and probably
>> still is) to be substantially less in FOSS than in the industry at large.
>> Interestingly, one of the findings was that women apparently had a greater
>> preference to use web forums than email lists.  Moreso than men.  So
>> there's another dimension for mobilars to explore in his discourse analysis
>> :-)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 10 October 2014 12:36, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, be sure to communicate to everyone that they need to "upvote" the
>>> questions, after they have been created. Each person gets 5 upvotes it
>>> seems, perhaps depending on reputation or something similar.
>>>
>>> See here for some more metrics on another topic
>>>
>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/55053/data-science
>>>
>>> Not so sure we could generate 5 questions per day?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jason Pickering <
>>> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Matthieu,
>>>> Sounds good to me. The process to get it setup seems rather involved
>>>> but given the supposed number of people out there , we should have little
>>>> problem gathering enough supoort.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jason
>>>> On Oct 10, 2014 6:59 AM, "Matthieu Pinard (UiO)" <matthiep@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> after discussing with web Lars and with the enlightenment of Mark we
>>>>> came up with the following consensus after going back to the initial needs
>>>>> to be addressed in this thread:
>>>>>
>>>>> *How to make it easier for the users, developers and implementers to
>>>>> look for an answer for a given question?*
>>>>>
>>>>> For that matter *Stackexchange* seems to be a very good option.
>>>>> Paraphrasing Ubuntu we can say that Stackexchange should become the
>>>>> site for DHIS2 users, implementers and developers can collaboratively edit
>>>>> question and answer them.
>>>>> "Instead of posting a mailing list, this site would work by you
>>>>> repeatedly editing your question with what you've learned about your
>>>>> problem, and then users can rate the quality of the questions and answers
>>>>> by voting" (Source:
>>>>> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/finding-help/support/).
>>>>>
>>>>> *Discourse* serves another purpose, which will be very useful for the
>>>>> DHIS2 Community as well: a place where to discuss about the latest news of
>>>>> DHIS2, discuss ideas etc. We will put that in place later on.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in a step-by-step approach, let's start with *Stackexchange* to
>>>>> serve the most urgent need. Once the community has adopted it we can
>>>>> continue providing new tools, namely *Discourse*, for our community
>>>>> to grow and engage (and vice versa).
>>>>>
>>>>> So let's back Jason's initiative and *start posting* on
>>>>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/77757/dhis2/
>>>>>
>>>>> *NEXT STEP:* Diffuse this initiative to the info mailing list
>>>>> explaining the goals and steps to make this initiative a success.
>>>>> If you agree, Jason, web Lars and me could be assigned to this task.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Question: Do you agree?*
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Matthieu
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: Interesting link that we will proudly imitate:
>>>>> http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/finding-help/support/
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthieu Pinard
>>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10 October 2014 12:25, Halvdan Grelland <halvdanhg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Discourse seems to strike a great balance between power and user
>>>>>> friendliness. +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-10-10 11:20 GMT+02:00 Lars Kristian Roland <lars@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's another one I like:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.invisionpower.com/features/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (not that I don't like the ones Matthieu mentioned)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-10-10 11:07 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Pinard (UiO) <
>>>>>>> matthiep@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad to read that people with technical know-how are on this
>>>>>>>> topic as well :).
>>>>>>>> Forums being a fundamental building block of our (web) community
>>>>>>>> choosing the right tool is key:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The right tool for me means a tool that:
>>>>>>>> - is easy to use for non-techies, as the community grows fast
>>>>>>>> behind it's early adopters
>>>>>>>> - encourages interaction though a good UX
>>>>>>>> - helps the community to highlight what are the current hottest
>>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>> - enables "easy" moderation
>>>>>>>> - can be used on different screens
>>>>>>>> - ...and well... are open source ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far I see two tools:
>>>>>>>> - the Ubuntu Discourse http://www.discourse.org/
>>>>>>>> - as we are using the CMS Drupal for our website, we can simply
>>>>>>>> activate the forum (limited)  or better probably go the the Harmony
>>>>>>>> Core <https://www.drupal.org/project/harmony_core> that is part of
>>>>>>>> the Commons distribution <https://www.drupal.org/project/commons>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far from a user perspective I favor Discourse
>>>>>>>> <http://www.discourse.org/>. BTW Ubuntu is using it. I can only
>>>>>>>> encourage you to give it a try <http://try.discourse.org/> and
>>>>>>>> tell me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matthieu Pinard
>>>>>>>> DHIS 2 Academy & Community Coordinator | University of Oslo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9 October 2014 22:39, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know about any other existing forums that could be
>>>>>>>>> potentially more suitable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If not I'm all for giving this a try. I think going for a forum
>>>>>>>>> that is well-known has more legs than starting our own.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Lars Kristian Roland
>>>>>>> Research Fellow, Department of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>>>> Email: lars@xxxxxxxxx - roland@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Phone: +47 90733036
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
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