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[Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>]

Greetings !!

Was expecting for your comments but didn't get any. Anyways I assume that
you all have agreed to some extent.... and now I am into the coding, please
join me in that.

Thank you.
Abyot.


2009/5/20 Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>

> Hi All,
>
> Please find the attached very much simplified design specification for the
> CBHS. Hope to get your comments so that we go into the coding business.
>
> Thanks.
> Abyot
>
> 2009/5/20 Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Ahh... I just got the summary of the discussion you made in the conference
>> call.
>>
>> And here is my feeling. Honestly I don't see these
>> technologies/frameworks/choices really relevant at least to start with
>> (though being future-proof is fine), because if we continue to do this we
>> will never agree on anything and finally reach august with nothing. I mean,
>> better if we could stick to "keep it simple" phiolosohy and reach on
>> something with the frameworks and technologies we are currently using -
>> "known devil is better than unknown angel".
>>
>> For me, what will be interesting at this stage is to throw as many inputs
>> as possible all focused on the requirements and functionalities of the
>> system we are trying to comeup with - India needs it, Vietnam needs it,
>> Tanzania, Malawi and also Ethiopia.
>>
>> From my side: the requirement is to have a system capable of registering
>> visits for specific programs (FP, ANC and Immunization at least to start
>> with). And below is a little break-up of this.
>>
>> 1.       *Individual/Patient Management Module *–the requirement here is
>> to systematically manage (as well as track) individuals. Very much similar
>> to orgunit hierarchy operation and module in DHIS2.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·         Village(name, house(s), ANM(s), …)
>>
>> o   Add/Edit/Remove
>>
>> ·         House(houseno, family, ?gpslocation?,…)
>>
>> o   Add/edit/Remove
>>
>> ·         Family(house,husband,wife,son(s), daughter(s),..)
>>
>> o   Add/Edit/Remove/move-around
>>
>> ·         Individual(name,house,…)
>>
>> o   Add/Edit/Remove/move-around
>>
>>
>> *2.       **Health Program Management – *This is something (I would say)
>> similar to advanced dataset management. This module is to enable users
>> manage programs (for e.g. Family Planning, ANC, Immunization, Line-List of
>> Birth, Line-List of Death, …)
>>
>> ·         Program(name, frequency, program_phase(s),…)
>>
>> o   Add/Edit/Remove
>>
>> ·         Program_phase(name, frequency, register,
>> individuals_in_the_program, …)
>>
>> o   Add/Edit/Remove/link_with_register
>>
>>
>> *3.       **Register Management – *Probably this is the most complicated
>> part of the system. And I would be happy if Saptarshi can pull something
>> from OpenMRS especially from the XML_Reporting module. Because there things
>> are saved in plain XML raw data – which I think is quite ok because there
>> will be a wide range of objects to be part of a register (Individual,
>> dataelement,period,house,date, orgunit,….)
>>
>> ·         Functionalities expected from this module
>>
>> o   Add/Edit/Remove register
>>
>> o   Assign objects to register
>>
>> §  objectes could be – dataelement, individual, house, village, period,
>> date,…
>>
>> o   Arrange objects or create a register form
>>
>> §  Depending on the type of objects assigned to the register a form need
>> to be designed using different dataentry boxes (boolean, calendar,
>> text/integer box, drop_down, hierarchy browsing, …
>>
>>
>> *4.       **Activity Plan Generator*
>>
>> ·         Cross-check services/programs provided and forecast the next
>> program_phase – activity plan. The forecast is expected to have
>>
>> o   A list of tasks detailing what_service_to_provide(which phase,
>> register_related_information, for_whom(individual), where_to_go (village,
>> house_no)
>>
>>
>> *5.       **Aggregation Module*
>>
>> ·         As much as possible a ?free_text? (combinations of
>> objects/drop_downs/,…) query engine. Again there is a lot to take from
>> OpenMRS cohort manager.
>>
>> ·         Queries should be mapped to existing objects (or their
>> combinations) and saved for later use.
>>
>> Can the Vietnam, Tanzania and Malawi team comment of this and also provide
>> their own requirement?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Abyot.
>>
>>
>> 2009/5/20 Saptarshi Purkayastha <sunbiz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> Hi Abyot,
>>>
>>>
>>> Great to have you back! I just reached Delhi today from Kerala after
>>> starting the mobile pilot in that state.
>>> We had a conference call on the discussions on how to move forward with
>>> CBHS.
>>> I suggested that we use the whole JavaEE 6 stack (JPA, Servlet 3.0, EJB
>>> 3.1, JSF 2.0 -- the web profile) for the CBHS and if everyone likes it
>>> working, we can then port parts of DHIS2 to use the same architecture and
>>> frameworks. It makes us future-proof to some extent...
>>>
>>> What do you feel about JavaEE 6??
>>> One simplistic example:
>>> http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/xwiki/bin/view/Jolorun/JavaEE6
>>> Architecture for writing JavaEE 6 Apps:
>>> http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/xwiki/bin/view/Jolorun/Architecture
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Regards,
>>> Saptarshi PURKAYASTHA
>>> Director R & D, HISP India
>>> Health Information Systems Programme
>>>
>>> My Tech Blog:  http://sunnytalkstech.blogspot.com
>>> You Live by CHOICE, Not by CHANCE
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/5/19 Abyot Gizaw <abyota@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I am now back to action fresh and full of energy!
>>>>
>>>> It is true that we need to synchronize our effrots and come up with
>>>> something working that benefits the whole HISP network. But at the same time
>>>> we need to be carefuel not to swamp ourselves with too many design ponders -
>>>> I like Arthur's "Keep It Simple Stupid" phiolosohpy. Anyways it would be
>>>> great, as Lars asked, if we could get a more formal and detailed description
>>>> of the system "Child Health Record". And just a question how
>>>> different/similar is it from the system Thanh is running/developing/talking?
>>>> and if it is sort of recording then I would say OpenMRS will be a good
>>>> candidate.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of crazy idea I have is, two broad classification of health
>>>> information systems - one focusing on curative and the other one on
>>>> preventive. The community based system we plan is in the category of
>>>> preventive and hence issues of planning, scheduling, alerting and
>>>> outreaching are very much critical. And this category is perfectly inline to
>>>> the philosophy of DHIS2/HISP. In the other category, curative systems, the
>>>> focus is on the history of a patient(child, mother, ...) and hence stroage,
>>>> retrival, and the like are the main issues. so my question is therefore ....
>>>> are we mixing the two? if so how? and also ask our Vietnam team to comment
>>>> on this.
>>>>
>>>> Saptarshi.... is there anything you would like to share/update me
>>>> regarding the community system?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Abyot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Saptarshi and Abyot:
>>>>> These Vietnamese requirements (attached .doc) to a patient-level child
>>>>> health system fits well with the community household based system (CHBS) you
>>>>> are working on.
>>>>> As Jørn mentioned in a previous mail related to design discussion on
>>>>> the new community system it is important that we think broader than the
>>>>> requirements in India, but also include these requirements in Vietnam, and
>>>>> also the quite similar requirements of a planned maternal health system in
>>>>> Tanzania and Malawi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lars already requested more details from Vietnam on the actual user
>>>>> requirements for the child health system so hopefully we can all receive
>>>>> that shortly. I will also push Caroline and Marlene from TZ and Malawi to
>>>>> write up requirements for their planned maternal health system.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a trend all around the HISP network towards electronic
>>>>> capturing of patient or case (vital events, notifiable diseases etc.) based
>>>>> information in relation to DHIS implementations, and we need to target this
>>>>> with a broad enough approach so that the new CHBS (that is the name used in
>>>>> India) can benefit the whole HISP network. Concetually I see this as a web
>>>>> based version of the DHIS 1.4 patient module, but somehow extended to
>>>>> include tracking of patients. Still following a simplistic approach and not
>>>>> intending to become a fully fledged electronic record system (like OpenMRS,
>>>>> Care2X etc.)
>>>>>
>>>>> To me it seems as all these proposed systems build around the same core
>>>>> functionality; to be able to define, capture and store
>>>>> patient/case/household-level data in DHIS, to track patients across
>>>>> cases/events, and to relate the patient data to routine (aggregated) data
>>>>> through user-defined expressions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms. Tran,
>>>>> As you see there is ongoing work in HISP (especially in India) to
>>>>> develop a similar system to what you are proposing so you should try to get
>>>>> involved in the ongoing discussion and work being done on this. Saptarshi
>>>>> and Abyot (e-mail addresses included in this mail) are driving this process.
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards,
>>>>> Ola Hodne Titlestad
>>>>> HISP
>>>>> University of Oslo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Cong Duong Dinh <duong_dinhcong@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: FW: Child Health Record - ideas in Viet Nam
>>>>> To: Arthur HEYWOOD <arthur@xxxxxxxx>, catakim@xxxxxxxxx, Jorn Braa <
>>>>> jbraa@xxxxxxxxxx>, Jørn Braa <jornbraa@xxxxxxxxx>, knutst@xxxxxxxxx,
>>>>> Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ola Hodne Titlestad <
>>>>> olatitle@xxxxxxxxx>, Ola <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>, Suddeps Sed <
>>>>> sundeeps@xxxxxxxxxx>, Sundeep <sundeep.sahay@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Dear all specialists,
>>>>>
>>>>> I manage Tran work, I can not comment her ideas,
>>>>> Thanh said that it's impossible, because he did work longtime on it.
>>>>> But I doubt about this idea. We had DHIS2.0 not DHIS1.0.
>>>>> Sop we decide let Tran work for this for some months and see what
>>>>> happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tran prepare well her protocol, so I really hope you can give us some
>>>>> comments.
>>>>> Tran said that DHIS2.0 is a very good, strong base to built this up.
>>>>> What do you think..
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanh said that, now Oslo just had a new policy for DHIS?
>>>>> I hope I can receive from you, that will help me to manage the team
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanh said that now we have to ask Tran work for DHIS, I can not do
>>>>> that because I have to help Mother and Child Health Centre and me and Jorn
>>>>> did agree that with Giang - Director of Health Service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday Chinh met us and ask us again about this issue, I had
>>>>> 13.000.000 VND # 7.000 USD for this work, but the output should be sure,
>>>>> because he can not use that money for resaerch.
>>>>>
>>>>> So please  give Tran some comments and good support for her work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help
>>>>>
>>>>> Cong
>>>>>
>>>>> Duong Dinh Cong CUF/UTC 520 Ng Tri Phuong QX HCM-City Vietnam Tel 84 8
>>>>> 8631383 Fax 84 8 650025
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:10 +0700
>>>>> Subject: Child Health Record - ideas in Viet Nam
>>>>> From: tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> To: dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> CC: duong_dinhcong@xxxxxxxxxxx; trung.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx;
>>>>> tranthanhtri84@xxxxxxxxx; sam.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx;
>>>>> thuy.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx; hieu.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx;
>>>>> tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> We're going to build Child Health Record based on DHIS. I send the
>>>>> document to represent our ideas about the module.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please enclose the attached file and give us suggestion about the
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> According to our ideas, we try to create a form from system, but we
>>>>> can't share data. Now we're researching how  to solve this big program.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>>
>>>>> Chau Thu Tran
>>>>>
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>>>
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