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Re: Custom data entry form for hospital patient registers

To: "Jason Pickering" <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
From: damilola@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:45:08 +0000
Cc: dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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}Thanks Jason for your elaborate response. 
 Please how can i achieve a predefined type for data element? I need
the following Date, predefined as pointed out by kumar in addtion to
the Yes/No,Number and Text. 
 I appreciate your urgent response to this.
 Thanks
 .damilola 
 GMD 
 On Wed 31/03/10 12:52 PM , Jason Pickering
jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx sent:
 Hi there. I have come up against a similar issue in Tajkistan, where
there is a need to record primary and final diagnosis for a patient. I
must admit, that I do not feel DHIS2 is the correct tool for this. 
Ideally, there would be a single data element for each, and a
dropdown list of pre-defined diagnosis codes. In this case, they are
using ICD-10 codes, which presents a major challenge for a single
dropdown list, as there could be thousands. 
 I personally have my reservations about using the named-based
records module, as it stands, for this situation at this point. I
think it will work well for pre-defined programs.We have had
discussions here in Zambia with a major NGO on the use of DHIS2 for
the male circumcision program. In this case, I think it works pretty
well, as you know what the data elements are, and the mapping between
cased based data and aggregate level data is pretty straightforward.
Ideally, you would like to have a single data element in the patient
based module, which would then map to some aggregate data element,
rather than having 10,000 different data elements for each ICD10
code, in the form of a yes-no box.  For instance, the ICD-10 codes
for TB occupy the range between A15-A19. There are numerous sub-codes
as well. Typically, all of these might get mapped to a single
aggregate data element, for instance ("Number of cases of
tuberculosis") and be of course disaggregated by other dimensions
such as age, gender, etc. As far tell, the current functionality of
the named-based records in DHIS will not easily support this
workflow. Perhaps Bharath could comment on how it could be done. This
sounds like a similar problem you are experiencing. 
 Anyway, our plan in Tajikistan is to keep the existing patient based
system, which is essentially an electronic medical records system, and
have it aggregate the data into aggregate data elements, which will
then be passed upwards from facility to district level. This ensures
that any confidential patient data stays in the facility. 
 Not sure if this helps, but I just wanted to highlight what I feel
are some of the current limitations of the named- based records
system. This may be based on my limited understanding of it however,
which hopefully the documentation will clear up. 
 Best regards,
 Jason
 On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:31 PM,   wrote:
 Thanks Kumar..i must have been missing stuffs out then...but i
checked again and i couldnt see more than Number/Text/Yes*No/Date
 for the patientAttribute. I cant see the predefined and others you
mentioned. Its possible i m not patient please can you point me to
 it???
 I tried changing the dataDictionary setting to "extended" and the
listItem is still Number/Text/Yes*No.
 Do you have an instruction on how to CustomScreenDesign with
Javascript?...however small it is i appreciate.
 Thanks kumar...waiting.
 .damilola
 GMD
 On Wed 31/03/10 12:11 PM , bharath kumar  sent:
 > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:32 PM,   wrote:
 > Thanks Jas for the astute insight.
 > This is what i am trying to do...see the screens attached.
 > I have tried to use the patient management as shown below. These
are
 > my challenges
 > 1.There are quite a number of option items on the form. I know
DHIS2
 > has Yes/No but not custom listItem.
 > I am not sure i understood correct, but for PatientAttribute can
be
 > Number/Date/Text/Bool/Predifined.
 > Here Predefined means dropdownlist with user defined options, for
 > ex:- Say Sex is attribute and Male,Female are options.
 >
 > Similarly for DataElements also we can create Multi-Dimensional
Text
 > Dataelement with user defined options.
 >   2.There are no action attached to yes or no. like i need to
 > display some form fields/controls if i select yes or no. I know
this
 > involves real programming.
 >
 > May be this can be done using CustomScreenDesign with Javascript
 > Methods
 >   3.I need to aggregate the register into the summary form.
 > Whats your advise on these???
 > .damilola
 > On Tue 30/03/10  7:26 PM , Jason Pickering  sent:
 > > Just a note of caution here. It is not so straightforward as a
 > simple
 > > count aggregation (although I have written a blueprint for a
count
 > > aggregator in the normal datamart operation as well). In some
 > cases,
 > > it may be a combination of a count and a sum. For instance, you
 > may
 > > have multiple patient level data elements that map into a single
 > > aggregate level data element (consider TB ICD 10 codes for
example
 > > which might map into a single aggregate level data element of
 > "Number
 > > of TB cases").
 > > I think they are working on it, and I will help Bharath with the
 > > documentation as well, so hopefully we will have something quite
 > > soon.
 > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:50 PM,   wrote:
 > > Thanks! Great job Kumar! Is the AggregationEngine in 2.0.3 or
the
 > > 2.0.4RC??? i need the count(DE) for aggregator operator. I am
sure
 > i
 > > saw it somewhere but cant remember where. is it something you
can
 > > help figure out???
 > > .damilola
 > > GMD
 > > On Tue 30/03/10  5:57 PM , bharath kumar  sent:
 > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:26 PM,   wrote:
 > > > Dear Team,
 > > > I have the following concerns.
 > > > 1. I need to develop a custom data entry form from a register
 > > having
 > > > patient detail like patient's name, patient's address,
 > etc
 > > > At this moment there is no CustomDataEntryForm Design for
 > Patient
 > > > Registration. You can design custom screen for
 > > Program/ProgramStages.
 > > >
 > > >   2. I need dhis2 to aggregate these patients counts into a
 > > summary
 > > > form which will be aggregate up the hierarchy.
 > > > Very Basic AggregationEngine is developed but need lot more
work
 > > > left. Will try to prepare some documentation with screenshots
 > how
 > > to
 > > > use aggregation engine, will send.
 > > >   3. Why don't we have count in the list of the aggregation
 > > > operator. I have *Sum, Average*
 > > > 4. Can i use custom data entry page to create a register
 > records?
 > > > I have tried the following
 > > > 1. Created the custom form using the data entry create form
 > > wizard.
 > > > Its not just realistic here. Foreach patient's attributes i
 > > will
 > > > have a data element and depending on the number of patients,
it
 > > will
 > > > be a multiple of the available attributes which will run into
 > > > millions of DE and its not just manageable. I know the the
above
 > > is
 > > > used to create summary forms.
 > > > 2. So i decided to use the patient's management modules,
 > EVEN
 > > > though i cannot achieve a custom layout as it appears on the
 > form,
 > > i
 > > > could use the additional attributes to create more patients
 > > > attributes.
 > > > So then
 > > > 1. How do i do a count of the information on the register and
 > get
 > > it
 > > > appear in the cell of a custom data entry without the user
 > > > manually entering the values over a period.
 > > > For example on my register i have columns like 1. Name of
 > > > client,address of client,fever cases reported within 24hrs,RDT
 > > done
 > > > under
 > > > five.
 > > > On my summary form i need the following to be auto calculate
 > > > 1. The number of client registered
 > > > 2. Number reported for fever cases under five
 > > > 3. etc
 > > > I will appreciate any assistance asap.
 > > > Thank you.
 > > > .damilola
 > > > GMD
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Re: Custom data entry form for hospital patient registers
From: Jason Pickering, 2010-03-31
Re: Custom data entry form for hospital patient registers
From: bharath kumar, 2010-03-31