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[Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 20 April 2010 12:04, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Ola,
>
> Here is what i am trying to do. I have a paper data collection form
> that i am implementing as a custom data entry screen. Pretty simple in
> practice, but is laborious to implement because 1) We do not have
> multidimensional/category combo type data elements here and 2) The
> sort order of the data elements is all jumbled up.
>
>
>  I want to break up the dataset, which is rather large, into sections
> that correspond to two separate pages of the paper aggregation form.
> Why? Well, it is not entirely necessary I guess, since I am using a
> custom data entry form, but some users actually prefer to use the
> "default" form instead of the custom form. I want to be sure that the
> data elements are ordered properly and they have appropriate sections.
> Thus, I figured that the data set sections would do this for me.
> Perhaps this is totally unnecessary, but it still does not mean that
> this bug is not valid. The list remains totally unordered, so if
> people want to have a data set section for whatever reason, it should
> be presented in some form that makes sense. Seems Bob may have already
> figured it out.

Thought I had but now I'm a bit confused :-(

There are three things which could be sorted (and sorted with
different criteria eg. by id, by name, by categorycombo, by ad-hoc
sortorder) :
(i) the panel of available dataelements
(ii) the panel of selected dataelements
(iii) the display and/or navigation order on the default form

Which is it?

Regards
Bob

>
>>Why would that be important if it has nothing to do with the order in the
>>form?
>>And again, why use the section at all?
>
> Well, maybe you can enlighten us then as to the use of data set
> sections? I assumed that it was for the purpose I am trying to
> achieve, but perhaps not.
>
> If you take a look at the datasetmembers table, there is no sortorder
> field, unlike DHIS1.4. DHIS 1.4 has both a sort order in the data
> elements table, as well as the equivalent of the datasetmembers table.
> It would just be very useful to be able to resort the data elements
> (and all objects for that matter) in the browser itself. Sort by name
> (Ascending, descending), sort by code, sort by sort order, etc. When I
> was in Tajikistan, I thought that Murod has sent some code for server
> side filtering and ordering. Not sure what happened to it, but that is
> exactly what would be useful to have in these situations.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ola Hodne Titlestad
> <olatitle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Jason,
>>
>> What are you trying to achieve using the dataset sections?
>>
>>
>> Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer|
>> Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization
>> Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email:
>> titlestado@xxxxxxx|Tel: +41 788216897
>> Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org
>>
>> Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health.
>>
>>
>> On 20 April 2010 11:19, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds good, but I need to fix this now. Will have a look myself and
>>> see what can be done in the interim. Creating a dataset section is
>>> nigh impossible with several hundred elements unsorted.
>>>
>>> On 4/20/10, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olatitle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Note that there is a planned revamp of the whole forms/dataset model
>>> > quite
>>> > soon and this blueprint for 2.0.5 covers at least improved functionality
>>> > in
>>> > terms of defining the layout of default forms, incl. sort order:
>>> > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/dhis2/+spec/improved-forms
>>> >
>>> > The goal is to be able to use the default tabular forms as much as
>>> > possible,
>>> > since that will save us all a lot of time.
>>> > These default tabular forms should be (as it they are today) generated
>>> > off a
>>> > data set with data elements and one or more category combos,  but we
>>> > need to
>>> > provide the form designers with more options in terms of disabling
>>> > certain
>>> > fields, sort order of data elements, pivoting of the table (option to
>>> > have
>>> > data elements on columns and categories on rows).
>>> >
>>> > The idea is to use custom forms (which take a lot more time to design)
>>> > only
>>> > when its not possible to generate the form off the data set and some
>>> > additional (and not too complicated) layout choices.
>>> > Most tabular forms should be possible to auto generate.
>>> >
>>> > Feel free to add to the blueprint.
>>> >
>>> > Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer|
>>> > Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization
>>> > Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email:
>>> > titlestado@xxxxxxx|Tel:
>>> > +41 788216897
>>> > Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org
>>> >
>>> > Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 20 April 2010 10:31, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> This may actually be a problem due to the way that the data elements
>>> >> were sorted in DHIS 1.4. 1.4 allows you to specify both a sorting
>>> >> order in the dataelement table, as well as the equivalent of the
>>> >> datasetmembers table. A global (system) setting allows one to chose
>>> >> how they should be displayed in lists. Our data elements were sorted
>>> >> correctly according to the dataset,  but as far as I can tell,  DHIS2
>>> >> does not support sorting of data elements by data set (at least there
>>> >> is no field in datasetmembers that would support this)
>>> >>
>>> >> On  the datasetsection page, the ordering that is presented to me, is
>>> >> not in alphabetical order the SECOND time I enter the page. The first
>>> >> time, everything is ordered alphabetically (user setting), the second
>>> >> time around, the ordering is completely mixed up. I would expect it to
>>> >> follow the user setting (alphabetical) but this does not seem to be
>>> >> the case.
>>> >>
>>> >> I agree that it should probably be a system setting, similar to
>>> >> DHIS1.4.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Ola Hodne Titlestad
>>> >> <olatitle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> > Hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > My understanding of this is that you can apply the system wide custom
>>> >> sort
>>> >> > order to data elements in a data set section.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In user settings you can set the sort order to be custom and then go
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > Maintenance>Data Elements and sort the elements in the full list
>>> >> > there.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Then the data elements in the data set section (or data set) will be
>>> >> sorted
>>> >> > according to their global sort order when listed in a default data
>>> >> > entry
>>> >> > form.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > My only concern with this is that the sort order is a user setting
>>> >> > and
>>> >> not a
>>> >> > system setting so different users doing data entry might experience
>>> >> > different sort order, which may not be desired in data entry forms.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ola Hodne Titlestad |Technical Officer|
>>> >> > Health Metrics Network (HMN) | World Health Organization
>>> >> > Avenue Appia 20 |1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland | Email:
>>> >> > titlestado@xxxxxxx|Tel: +41 788216897
>>> >> > Website: www.healthmetricsnetwork.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Better Information. Better Decisions. Better Health.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 20 April 2010 10:08, Hieu Dang Duy <hieu.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Dear Jason,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Actually, this ordering is completely belongs to your action during
>>> >> >> on
>>> >> >> sorting data elements in the selected list.
>>> >> >> For example;
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Assuming that, there are five data elements such as: A, B, C, D and
>>> >> >> E
>>> >> >> in
>>> >> >> the available list. Then, if select each element following the
>>> >> >> ordering
>>> >> >> likes B, D, A, C in the selected list. So after coming back to edit
>>> >> >> that
>>> >> >> data section you will see the selected list of this one, which is
>>> >> >> not
>>> >> >> ordered alphabetically in expecting on.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:12 PM, jason.p.pickering
>>> >> >> <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Public bug reported:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> When creating a data set section, there is no logical ordering
>>> >> >>> applied
>>> >> >>> to the data elements. The first time I created the dataset section,
>>> >> they
>>> >> >>> appeared to be ordered alphabetically. When I saved and edited the
>>> >> >>> dataset again, the ordering is completely jumbled up.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> ** Affects: dhis2
>>> >> >>>     Importance: Undecided
>>> >> >>>         Status: New
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> --
>>> >> >>> dataset-section-no-sorting
>>> >> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/567080
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>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Status in DHIS 2 - District Health Information Software: New
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Bug description:
>>> >> >>> When creating a data set section, there is no logical ordering
>>> >> >>> applied
>>> >> to
>>> >> >>> the data elements. The first time I created the dataset section,
>>> >> >>> they
>>> >> >>> appeared to be ordered alphabetically. When I saved and edited the
>>> >> dataset
>>> >> >>> again, the ordering is completely jumbled up.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
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>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Hieu.HISPVietnam
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>>> >> Jason P. Pickering
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>> Jason P. Pickering
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