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[Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>]

2010/6/27 Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>

> Understood, but then this would require a complete overhaul of the
> data model. If you look at the data value table, there are separate
> keys for dataelementid and periodid, which implies that data values
> can be observed in multiple places over multiple time periods (which
> may themselves have different durations). This seems logical and
> certainly reasonable. Otherwise, there would need to be an association
> between a given data element and a given periodicity type, where now
> the association is between a data set and a periodicity type. A given
> dataset would thus derive its periodicity from a data element, whose
> association would need to be specifically set when creating the data
> element, and not the other way around.
>
> I would strongly urge that it be best avoided, and or implemented
> specifically on a local branch for the SA team.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>

Got that, we will avoid it for now.

Lars


>
> 2010/6/27 Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Jason Pickering
> > <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Lars,
> >> This bug has been troubling me since I saw the report but it has taken
> >> a few walks in the woods to figure out why. I am not comfortable with
> >> it being implemented and let me try and outline my argument.
> >>
> >> We are planning in Zambia to pilot the DHIS mobile app in certain
> >> districts. Community health workers will report certain data elements
> >> (e.g. Number of cases of clinical malaria under 1)  on a weekly basis.
> >> This same data element is reported on a monthly basis at the health
> >> facility. Each community health worker will be attached to a health
> >> center. Therefore the monthly total for a given health facility should
> >> be the number of cases observed at the health facility itself
> >> (monthly) plus the number of cases observed by a CHW (weekly). As it
> >> has been made clear by Ola several times, one can create any number of
> >> datasets, and associate a certain periodicity with them. The
> >> periodicity is thus associated with the data set and not the data
> >> element itself.
> >>
> >> This is really going to cause huge problems for us in particular, as
> >> we have certain data elements, which in the past have been collected
> >> quarterly, but which are now collected monthly. They exist in
> >> different data sets with different periodicities.
> >>
> >> Could you provide more detail as to why this should not be allowed?
> >>
> >
> > In this case its just a matter of conflicting wishes :-) The SA team is
> used
> > to having an explicit period type for each data element and wanted this
> > implemented. But since we currently are allowing data elements to appear
> in
> > multiple datasets with different period types (as you point out) and it
> will
> > cause you trouble we should maybe avoid it.
> > Lars
> >
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/6/26 Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >> > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Thu Tran
> >> > <tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Lars,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm busy to check database in Ho Chi Minh City. I didn't remember to
> do
> >> >> your
> >> >> bugs. I'm so sorry.
> >> >>
> >> >> I sent the patch file for this bug to you. Please check it. Thank you
> >> >> very
> >> >> much.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Hi Tran, sorry I can not seem to find this patch, can you please
> re-send
> >> > it?
> >> >
> >> > cheers Lars
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> ================================
> >> >> Châu Thu Trân
> >> >> HISP Viet Nam
> >> >> Email: tran.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Cell phone: +84 97 324 1542
> >> >> ================================
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2010/6/21 Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>
> >> >> > ** Changed in: dhis2
> >> >> >     Assignee: Thu Tran (tran-hispvietnam) => Thanh Tri Tran
> >> >> > (tranthanhtri84)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Data element period not enforced with data set
> >> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/589776
> >> >> > You received this bug notification because you are a bug assignee.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Status in DHIS 2 - District Health Information Software: Confirmed
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bug description:
> >> >> > It is possible to add a data element to a data set even if the data
> >> >> element
> >> >> > is a member of another data set with a different period type than
> >> >> > this
> >> >> one.
> >> >> > This should not be allowed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We should filter out data elements with a different period type
> >> >> > (member
> >> >> of
> >> >> > data sets with different period type) when creating and updating
> new
> >> >> > data
> >> >> > sets.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ** Attachment added: "patch.diff"
> >> >>   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50720647/patch.diff
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Data element period not enforced with data set
> >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/589776
> >> >> You received this bug notification because you are a direct
> subscriber
> >> >> of the bug.
> >> >>
> >> >> Status in DHIS 2 - District Health Information Software: Confirmed
> >> >>
> >> >> Bug description:
> >> >> It is possible to add a data element to a data set even if the data
> >> >> element
> >> >> is a member of another data set with a different period type than
> this
> >> >> one.
> >> >> This should not be allowed.
> >> >>
> >> >> We should filter out data elements with a different period type
> (member
> >> >> of
> >> >> data sets with different period type) when creating and updating new
> >> >> data
> >> >> sets.
> >> >>
> >> >> To unsubscribe from this bug, go to:
> >> >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dhis2/+bug/589776/+subscribe
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Data element period not enforced with data set
> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/589776
> >> > You received this bug notification because you are a member of DHIS 2
> >> > developers, which is subscribed to DHIS.
> >> >
> >> > Status in DHIS 2 - District Health Information Software: Confirmed
> >> >
> >> > Bug description:
> >> > It is possible to add a data element to a data set even if the data
> >> > element is a member of another data set with a different period type
> than
> >> > this one. This should not be allowed.
> >> >
> >> > We should filter out data elements with a different period type
> (member
> >> > of data sets with different period type) when creating and updating
> new data
> >> > sets.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
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> Jason P. Pickering
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