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[Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>]

Many DHIS concepts have been translated to several languages for DHIS 1.4.

I have extracted 3834 strings from DHIS 1.4, most of which have been
translated to Portuguese and French, but also other languages, see the
table below:

Language  Number of strings
Portuguese	3834
English	3834
French	3536
Chinese	2359
Spanish	2081
Mongolian	2041
Russian	1663
Norwegian	722
Swahili	665
Vietnamese	347
Telugu	124

Here is an Excel file with all the translations:
http://109.74.202.200/dhis/DHIS14%20translations.7z

Knut

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:54 AM, jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
<jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi  japhet,
> Thanks for your mail. We will certainly take you up on your offer! Some of
> us will meet in the next few days to try and come up with a better
> translation work flow. We still have a few loose ends to tie up. I will
> contact you next week with more information about how to get started with
> the translations.
> Best Regards,
> Jason
>
> Sent fr om my HTC
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Japhet Kamala" <japhetkamala@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 13:10
> Subject: [Dhis2-devs] [Dhis2-documenters]  Translation workflow
> To: <romain@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Knut Staring" <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "philippe" <philippe@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "dhis2-documenters"
> <dhis2-documenters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Johan Lemarchand"
> <johan.lemarchand@xxxxxxxxx>, "narodar" <narodar@xxxxxxxxx>, "DHIS 2
> developers" <dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Hi Romain
> Thanks for this debate
> May I know how many languages do we need to translate this manuals
> Am in Tanzania is Swahili needed
> If so am ready to work on it
> Hope to hear from you
> Regards
>
> Japhet Kamala,
> University Computing Centre Ltd
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>
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>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "romain@xxxxxxxxxxx" <romain@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: philippe <philippe@xxxxxxxxxxx>; DHIS 2 developers
> <dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Johan Lemarchand
> <johan.lemarchand@xxxxxxxxx>;
> narodar <narodar@xxxxxxxxx>; dhis2-documenters
> <dhis2-documenters@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wed, 15 September, 2010 14:05:35
> Subject: Re: [Dhis2-documenters] [Dhis2-devs] Translation workflow
>
> Hi Knut,
> Thanks for raising this topic. I have tried to get the french translation
> done with the help of Lars using the PO Editor, but I gave up because of
> problems with commit process. But this is a technical problem that can be
> solved with little work. I found the PO Editor ok and quite easy to use.
> And maybe it is the best way to go.
> The problem here for me is organizational. Because for instance I know
> that Edem also is working on French translation too, so we need to
> synchronize our work to avoid duplication of efforts. I think we first need
> to create translation teams by languages and select a head for each team.
> Then we must provide a timeline to get the job done. Each team will
> organise itself to meet the goal in the requested time. The mean they will
> use (machine or human or both) is not in that case important if the team
> can ensure that they are ok with the translation provided at the end of the
> work.
>
> Hope this contribution is helpful...
>
> Regards,
>
> Romain
>
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 09:34:44 +0200, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Moving this discussion to the main developer list as well as the
>> documentation list to ensure input from all concerned.
>>
>> Thanks to the team currently contributing to a French translation of
>> the DHIS manual and inline help. Jason and I have been working on find
>> the best  workflow for this work, but it is not obvious that there is
>> really a good one, because there are a number of issues that may be
>> conflicting.
>>
>> Ideally, we would like to:
>>
>> 1) keep the original English documentation in DocBook XML format,
>> which allows us to generate many formats, such as PDF and HTML, as
>> well as incorporate the text into the online help inside DHIS 2
>> itself.
>>
>> 2) keep both the DocBook structure and translated text (which can be
>> in PO files) under some sort of version control, so we can track
>> changes, and readily generate artefacts such as PDFs
>>
>> 3) make it easy for translators, so they can concentrate on the
>> language rather than tools like Bazaar, Maven, and DocBook/XML
>>
>> 3b) I thought it would be easier to start from a machine translation
>> and do corrections, rather than start with just the English and write
>> everything. I would very much like the opinion of people who have some
>> actual experience correcting Google translations to French (the
>> quality is likely to differ for each language). A third possibility
>> would be that you just used Google translate or something similar
>> yourself by copy/paste, I guess.
>>
>> 4) easily share translations, and especially have a common and
>> consistently used glossary for DHIS terms such as organisation unit
>> and data element.
>>
>> 5) have an easy way of identifying which parts have changed in the
>> original, so the translations can be updated.
>>
>> A translator could work directly with DocBook, using and XML editor
>> like Serna, but then machine translation becomes more tricky. For PO
>> files, you can use a PO editor. They can be generated and re-inserted
>> into DocBook (though there are some minor issues). Launchpad also
>> supports the PO format. For raw text, you can use Google Docs or any
>> editor but the issue is then how to get the translated strings back
>> into the DocBook structure.
>>
>> And throughout, the problem of changes in the original presents
>> itself. To my mind, most parts of the manual will quickly
>> stabilize.The alternative would be to almost completely decouple the
>> different languages, and just keep the chapter or section headings,
>> sort of like Wikipedia does for different languages.
>>
>> Appreciate your input - for example on which of the considerations
>> above you find most important.
>>
>> Knut
>>
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Cheers,
Knut Staring