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[Roshan Hewapathirana <roshanhewapathirana@xxxxxxxxx>]

thanx for the valuable thoughts.
I'll keep you posted.

thanx again.

On 26 April 2012 14:27, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 26 April 2012 12:51, Roshan Hewapathirana
> <roshanhewapathirana@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Bob,
> > Yes, this I guess, easier in case of working with health staff.
> > For eg. a scenario where all the basic data elements with categories and
> > indicators with categories are created in a spreadsheet and imported to
> > DHIS2 to create a essential data/indicator set and a data/indicator
> > dictionary. Flexibility should come on top of the essential set.
> >
> > I was studying different indicator frameworks and indicator dictionaries
> and
> > try to draw some use cases on this. Initially I was thinking of a XML
> but as
> > you suggested, spreadsheet is more comfortable to health domain.
>
> I'm thinking spreadsheet as an authoring tool rather than necessarily
> as a format.  It is the "authoring" of large numbers of repetitive
> dataelements which is problematic and which might be reasonably solved
> with a well designed spreadsheet template.  Spreadsheet data is easily
> exported as XML which in turn is easily importable to dhis.
>
> >
> > Other thing I noticed is, currently we create dataelements and then
> > indicators (and THEN try to rationalize and to remove unused
> dataelements).
> > Ideally it should be the other way, to decide indicators first and then
> to
> > formulate dataelements (this of course better suite to new health
> > programmes, rather than old programmes, where there is a list of
> > dataelements and indicators used for many years). However, a spreadsheet
> > seems to overcome what 'chicken or the egg' problem.
> >
> > What it your suggestion to handle 'calculated dataelements' with the
> > speadsheet approach?
>
> Calculated dataelements is another difficult discussion.  For the
> moment they must be handled in the same way as indicators.  Though if
> you were designing the spreadsheet you might consider creating
> separate worksheets for dataelements, calculated dataelements and
> indicators.  Even though the latter two would end up being implemented
> similarly in DHIS2.
>
> > Roshan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 April 2012 13:17, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> I suspect the route of just having a spreadsheet template for defining
> >> these things and just importing off that might be easiest.
> >>
> >> On 26 April 2012 11:38, Johan Sæbø <johansa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > On 26.04.2012 12:21, Ola Hodne Titlestad wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I have mentioned this to the developers from time to time and not
> given
> >> >> up yet...
> >> >>
> >> >> Both object "cloning" and batch edits are one my wish list for a more
> >> >> admin-friendly DHIS 2.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, that would be great! I'm just now defining DEs from a very
> regular
> >> > pattern:
> >> >
> >> > "disease name" lab-confirmed, catcombo age+gender
> >> > "disease name" suspected, default catcombo
> >> > "disease name" epi-linked, default catcombo
> >> >
> >> > etc.., with 40-50 diseases
> >> >
> >> > Would be great to just clone earlier ones, and change the disease
> names.
> >> > More complex though, but with even greater savings, would be some kind
> >> > of
> >> > pattern definition (batch edits is perhaps the same).
> >> >
> >> > I'm crossing my fingers for this one!
> >> > Johan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------------------------------
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> >> >> HISP
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 26 April 2012 12:08, Ime Asangansi <asangansi@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >> <mailto:asangansi@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>    Thanks Roshan,
> >> >>
> >> >>    Yes, looks like Ola's blueprint has been there since 2009 so its
> >> >>    probably not that important. Its really easy doing from
> >> >>    the back-end though, good to know for those moving from 1.4
> >> >>
> >> >>    Ime
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>    --- On *Thu, 4/26/12, Roshan Hewapathirana
> >> >>    /<roshanhewapathirana@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >>    <mailto:roshanhewapathirana@xxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>        From: Roshan Hewapathirana <roshanhewapathirana@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >>        <mailto:roshanhewapathirana@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> >>
> >> >>        Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] what do you guys think of a
> duplicate
> >> >>        function
> >> >>        To: "Ime Asangansi" <asangansi@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >>        <mailto:asangansi@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> >>        Cc: dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>        <mailto:dhis2-devs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>
> >> >>        Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 10:37 AM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>        Hi Ime,
> >> >>        I think it is a useful function (even though it might not be
> >> >>        used frequently).
> >> >>
> >> >>        Ola has submitted this blue print on Data Elements,
> >> >>
> >> >>  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/dhis2/+spec/data-element-cloning
> >> >>
> >> >>        I was wondering whether it is worth submitting a similar blue
> >> >>        print for Indicators too.
> >> >>        For Indicators, 'Replicate' function is there in DHIS1.4,
> which
> >> >>        basically allow you to create an Indicator by different names,
> >> >>        with more or less similar numerators, denominators and
> Indicator
> >> >>        types.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>        Roshan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>        On 25 April 2012 22:24, Ime Asangansi <asangansi@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >>        <http://mc/compose?to=asangansi@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>            Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >>            Just a thought about making creating data elements,
> >> >>            indicators, categories, etc faster.
> >> >>            Would it be cool to have a new 'create xxx' form that is
> >> >>            auto-filled when we hit duplicate on an existing
> >> >>            element/orgunit/category etc
> >> >>
> >> >>            Just for convenience, especially when one wants to create
> a
> >> >>            hundred things with just a small difference btw.
> >> >>
> >> >>            (As a fall back I'm having to do it with csv and loading
> up
> >> >>            at the backend, cos its just faster to make so many from a
> >> >>            sheet than from the interface)
> >> >>
> >> >>            Just a quick thot...
> >> >>
> >> >>            Ime
> >> >>
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