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[Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>]

Good. I would say lets change to groups, not too many are using it still.

Lars
On Mar 12, 2014 6:44 PM, "Jim Grace" <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> An option to configure this per validation rule group sounds fine. In the
> interest of not making this too complicated for the user, would it better
> to leave it with roles (optionally restricted within the org unit
> hierarchy), or change the implementation from roles to user groups
> (optionally restricted within the org unit hierarchy).
>
> Of course we could support both roles and user groups, but I'm just trying
> to see if we can keep it simpler for the user.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I think the suggestion from Jim is good. Could it be configurable by
>> validation rule group? So we have a true/false option "send alerts to users
>> within hierarchy only" or similar on the validation rule group. Then
>> messages only goes out to users who have the originating org unit of the
>> alert in their sub-hierarchies.
>>
>> I think in general having user roles and not user groups was a (my)
>> mistake - we could simply change it.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Jim this would suit my use case, but not sure if its global enough
>>> others can comment may be
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe the most useful next step is to leave the user interface the
>>>> same, but filter for the organisation unit assigned to the user when
>>>> sending the messages. So for example a national user would see alerts from
>>>> anywhere in the country, but a district user would see alerts only from
>>>> within their district. (We probably should have done it that way in the
>>>> first place!) Would this help?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Jim for the quick response.
>>>>>
>>>>> As we talk about the two the more I see them complicated.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the user role, my use case is on the Uganda national system where
>>>>> user roles and creating users is guarded like a gold mine. Only two people
>>>>> allowed to create roles and users though the rest of us can create user
>>>>> groups. But for now I will ask them to create a user role with only one
>>>>> role that can do much with the system and try it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the second one, my use case is in four districts where community
>>>>> health workers are sending weekly maternal surveillance reports. These are
>>>>> like over 4000 villages in level 5 on the hierarchy. I want districts at
>>>>> level 3 to receive alerts whenever a death is reported
>>>>>
>>>>> So if I implement it the way it is now, I have to create 4 district
>>>>> accounts and assign all them the alert user role. Once a death happen in
>>>>> one district all the districts will receive the alert.
>>>>>
>>>>> May be as you suggest we should add hierarchy selection (level) in
>>>>> creating the rule and if we specify sending to a given level (district,
>>>>>  region, national,...) an alert is only sent to only users assigned to that
>>>>> level and only for that hierarchy of that orgunit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Example
>>>>>
>>>>> Uganda/Northern Region/Gulu District/Alur Soubcounty/Gulu
>>>>> Hospital/Village A
>>>>> Uganda/Western Region/Kibaale District/Mutoke Soubcounty/Kagadi
>>>>> Hospital/Village W
>>>>>
>>>>> If death is reported from Village W and the rule was set to send to
>>>>> only users at level 3 only users assigned to Kibaale District with the
>>>>> alert role should receive the alert, but if level 1 is chosen then all
>>>>> users assigned to Uganda would receive the alert.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You also raise a good point about sending alerts from different parts
>>>>>> of the org unit hierarchy to different groups of users. I'm trying to
>>>>>> imagine how this could be configured. Perhaps when you configure a
>>>>>> validation rule group you could choose a point in the org unit hierarchy
>>>>>> and assign a user group to be alerted for organisations at or below that
>>>>>> point -- and then you could make similar assignments for other points in
>>>>>> the org unit hierarchy as well. This sounds very useful to me, if a bit
>>>>>> awkward. Can you imagine a simpler mechanism?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can say a bit more about the use case, that also strengthens
>>>>>> the case for a new feature. In particular, can you tell me what kinds of
>>>>>> position(s) the users have who want to know about maternal or
>>>>>> neonatal deaths in their district?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prosper, thanks for the feedback. The role is only used to identify
>>>>>>> a group of users, so it doesn't matter what authorities the role has. You
>>>>>>> could create any number of otherwise dummy roles for this purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But your point is very well taken that user groups are in general
>>>>>>> easier to set up and administer (without needing the authority to create
>>>>>>> roles.) That's a very good suggestion for the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Team and Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for this validation rule type that helps us send alerts
>>>>>>>> above set thresholds. Am planning to implement it on one of our use case -
>>>>>>>> Maternal and Neonatal Weekly death reports. Basically I want sms sent to a
>>>>>>>> group of users whenever a maternal or neonatal death is reported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all the two challenges I have are:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Sending to users assigned a given user role as opposed to sending
>>>>>>>> to users in a given group. Its easier to send to a user group as opposed to
>>>>>>>> the current design that only allows to send to users assigned a given user
>>>>>>>> role. First of all am not sure what different authorities this role should
>>>>>>>> have. Secondary in a situation where I have no rights to create a user role
>>>>>>>> I cant implement this like the case of Uganda national DHIS2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I would suggest we either add sending to a user group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Ability to localize the alerts to the hierarchy; right now we can
>>>>>>>> only send alerts to a central team otherwise it creates a lot of noise if
>>>>>>>> we send to user of lower levels for them to be relevant. A user in
>>>>>>>> districts B may not be interested in alerts from district C would rather
>>>>>>>> only receive from his only district. But currently if a user in District B
>>>>>>>> is assigned the alert role, he/she will receive alerts from all districts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>>>>>>>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>>>>>>>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>>>>>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>>>>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>>>>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>
>>>
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