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[Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Guys,

I think the role was also affecting its use, I go for user groups.

Regards


On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Lars Helge Øverland
<larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Good. I would say lets change to groups, not too many are using it still.
>
> Lars
> On Mar 12, 2014 6:44 PM, "Jim Grace" <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> An option to configure this per validation rule group sounds fine. In the
>> interest of not making this too complicated for the user, would it better
>> to leave it with roles (optionally restricted within the org unit
>> hierarchy), or change the implementation from roles to user groups
>> (optionally restricted within the org unit hierarchy).
>>
>> Of course we could support both roles and user groups, but I'm just
>> trying to see if we can keep it simpler for the user.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think the suggestion from Jim is good. Could it be configurable by
>>> validation rule group? So we have a true/false option "send alerts to users
>>> within hierarchy only" or similar on the validation rule group. Then
>>> messages only goes out to users who have the originating org unit of the
>>> alert in their sub-hierarchies.
>>>
>>> I think in general having user roles and not user groups was a (my)
>>> mistake - we could simply change it.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes Jim this would suit my use case, but not sure if its global enough
>>>> others can comment may be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe the most useful next step is to leave the user interface the
>>>>> same, but filter for the organisation unit assigned to the user when
>>>>> sending the messages. So for example a national user would see alerts from
>>>>> anywhere in the country, but a district user would see alerts only from
>>>>> within their district. (We probably should have done it that way in the
>>>>> first place!) Would this help?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Jim for the quick response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As we talk about the two the more I see them complicated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the user role, my use case is on the Uganda national system where
>>>>>> user roles and creating users is guarded like a gold mine. Only two people
>>>>>> allowed to create roles and users though the rest of us can create user
>>>>>> groups. But for now I will ask them to create a user role with only one
>>>>>> role that can do much with the system and try it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the second one, my use case is in four districts where community
>>>>>> health workers are sending weekly maternal surveillance reports. These are
>>>>>> like over 4000 villages in level 5 on the hierarchy. I want districts at
>>>>>> level 3 to receive alerts whenever a death is reported
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if I implement it the way it is now, I have to create 4 district
>>>>>> accounts and assign all them the alert user role. Once a death happen in
>>>>>> one district all the districts will receive the alert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May be as you suggest we should add hierarchy selection (level) in
>>>>>> creating the rule and if we specify sending to a given level (district,
>>>>>>  region, national,...) an alert is only sent to only users assigned to that
>>>>>> level and only for that hierarchy of that orgunit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uganda/Northern Region/Gulu District/Alur Soubcounty/Gulu
>>>>>> Hospital/Village A
>>>>>> Uganda/Western Region/Kibaale District/Mutoke Soubcounty/Kagadi
>>>>>> Hospital/Village W
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If death is reported from Village W and the rule was set to send to
>>>>>> only users at level 3 only users assigned to Kibaale District with the
>>>>>> alert role should receive the alert, but if level 1 is chosen then all
>>>>>> users assigned to Uganda would receive the alert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You also raise a good point about sending alerts from different
>>>>>>> parts of the org unit hierarchy to different groups of users. I'm trying to
>>>>>>> imagine how this could be configured. Perhaps when you configure a
>>>>>>> validation rule group you could choose a point in the org unit hierarchy
>>>>>>> and assign a user group to be alerted for organisations at or below that
>>>>>>> point -- and then you could make similar assignments for other points in
>>>>>>> the org unit hierarchy as well. This sounds very useful to me, if a bit
>>>>>>> awkward. Can you imagine a simpler mechanism?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can say a bit more about the use case, that also strengthens
>>>>>>> the case for a new feature. In particular, can you tell me what kinds of
>>>>>>> position(s) the users have who want to know about maternal or
>>>>>>> neonatal deaths in their district?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prosper, thanks for the feedback. The role is only used to identify
>>>>>>>> a group of users, so it doesn't matter what authorities the role has. You
>>>>>>>> could create any number of otherwise dummy roles for this purpose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But your point is very well taken that user groups are in general
>>>>>>>> easier to set up and administer (without needing the authority to create
>>>>>>>> roles.) That's a very good suggestion for the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Team and Jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this validation rule type that helps us send alerts
>>>>>>>>> above set thresholds. Am planning to implement it on one of our use case -
>>>>>>>>> Maternal and Neonatal Weekly death reports. Basically I want sms sent to a
>>>>>>>>> group of users whenever a maternal or neonatal death is reported.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First of all the two challenges I have are:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Sending to users assigned a given user role as opposed to
>>>>>>>>> sending to users in a given group. Its easier to send to a user group as
>>>>>>>>> opposed to the current design that only allows to send to users assigned a
>>>>>>>>> given user role. First of all am not sure what different authorities this
>>>>>>>>> role should have. Secondary in a situation where I have no rights to create
>>>>>>>>> a user role I cant implement this like the case of Uganda national DHIS2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I would suggest we either add sending to a user group.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Ability to localize the alerts to the hierarchy; right now we
>>>>>>>>> can only send alerts to a central team otherwise it creates a lot of noise
>>>>>>>>> if we send to user of lower levels for them to be relevant. A user in
>>>>>>>>> districts B may not be interested in alerts from district C would rather
>>>>>>>>> only receive from his only district. But currently if a user in District B
>>>>>>>>> is assigned the alert role, he/she will receive alerts from all districts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>>>>>>>>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>>>>>>>>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>>>>>>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>>>>>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>>>>>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>>>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH
>>>> Phone:        +256 414 320076
>>>> Cell:             +256 772 139037
>>>>                      +256 752 751776
>>>>
>>>>
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