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["Dapo Adejumo" <dapo_adejumo@xxxxxxxxx>]

That’s right Prosper, Thanks for flagging this.

 

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Regards,

 

Dapo Adejumo

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Behalf Of Prosper BT
Sent: 13 March 2014 09:14
To: Lars Helge Øverland
Cc: DHIS 2 Developers list
Subject: Re: [Dhis2-devs] Surveillance Alerts - Sending Alerts

 

Thanks Guys,

 

I think the role was also affecting its use, I go for user groups.

 

Regards

 

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:larshelge@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Good. I would say lets change to groups, not too many are using it still.

Lars

On Mar 12, 2014 6:44 PM, "Jim Grace" <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

An option to configure this per validation rule group sounds fine. In the
interest of not making this too complicated for the user, would it better to
leave it with roles (optionally restricted within the org unit hierarchy),
or change the implementation from roles to user groups (optionally
restricted within the org unit hierarchy).

 

Of course we could support both roles and user groups, but I'm just trying
to see if we can keep it simpler for the user.

 

Cheers,

Jim

 

 

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:larshelge@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

I think the suggestion from Jim is good. Could it be configurable by
validation rule group? So we have a true/false option "send alerts to users
within hierarchy only" or similar on the validation rule group. Then
messages only goes out to users who have the originating org unit of the
alert in their sub-hierarchies.

 

I think in general having user roles and not user groups was a (my) mistake
- we could simply change it.

 

regards,

 

Lars

 

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Yes Jim this would suit my use case, but not sure if its global enough
others can comment may be

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Maybe the most useful next step is to leave the user interface the same, but
filter for the organisation unit assigned to the user when sending the
messages. So for example a national user would see alerts from anywhere in
the country, but a district user would see alerts only from within their
district. (We probably should have done it that way in the first place!)
Would this help?

 

Cheers,

Jim

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Thanks Jim for the quick response.

 

As we talk about the two the more I see them complicated. 

 

For the user role, my use case is on the Uganda national system where user
roles and creating users is guarded like a gold mine. Only two people
allowed to create roles and users though the rest of us can create user
groups. But for now I will ask them to create a user role with only one role
that can do much with the system and try it out.

 

For the second one, my use case is in four districts where community health
workers are sending weekly maternal surveillance reports. These are like
over 4000 villages in level 5 on the hierarchy. I want districts at level 3
to receive alerts whenever a death is reported

 

So if I implement it the way it is now, I have to create 4 district accounts
and assign all them the alert user role. Once a death happen in one district
all the districts will receive the alert.

 

May be as you suggest we should add hierarchy selection (level) in creating
the rule and if we specify sending to a given level (district,  region,
national,...) an alert is only sent to only users assigned to that level and
only for that hierarchy of that orgunit.

 

Example

 

Uganda/Northern Region/Gulu District/Alur Soubcounty/Gulu Hospital/Village A

Uganda/Western Region/Kibaale District/Mutoke Soubcounty/Kagadi
Hospital/Village W

 

If death is reported from Village W and the rule was set to send to only
users at level 3 only users assigned to Kibaale District with the alert role
should receive the alert, but if level 1 is chosen then all users assigned
to Uganda would receive the alert.

 

Regards

 

 

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

You also raise a good point about sending alerts from different parts of the
org unit hierarchy to different groups of users. I'm trying to imagine how
this could be configured. Perhaps when you configure a validation rule group
you could choose a point in the org unit hierarchy and assign a user group
to be alerted for organisations at or below that point -- and then you could
make similar assignments for other points in the org unit hierarchy as well.
This sounds very useful to me, if a bit awkward. Can you imagine a simpler
mechanism?

 

If you can say a bit more about the use case, that also strengthens the case
for a new feature. In particular, can you tell me what kinds of position(s)
the users have who want to know about maternal or neonatal deaths in their
district?

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jim Grace <jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jimgrace@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Prosper, thanks for the feedback. The role is only used to identify a group
of users, so it doesn't matter what authorities the role has. You could
create any number of otherwise dummy roles for this purpose.

 

But your point is very well taken that user groups are in general easier to
set up and administer (without needing the authority to create roles.)
That's a very good suggestion for the future.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Dear Team and Jim

 

Thanks for this validation rule type that helps us send alerts above set
thresholds. Am planning to implement it on one of our use case - Maternal
and Neonatal Weekly death reports. Basically I want sms sent to a group of
users whenever a maternal or neonatal death is reported. 

 

First of all the two challenges I have are:

 

- Sending to users assigned a given user role as opposed to sending to users
in a given group. Its easier to send to a user group as opposed to the
current design that only allows to send to users assigned a given user role.
First of all am not sure what different authorities this role should have.
Secondary in a situation where I have no rights to create a user role I cant
implement this like the case of Uganda national DHIS2.

 

So I would suggest we either add sending to a user group.

 

- Ability to localize the alerts to the hierarchy; right now we can only
send alerts to a central team otherwise it creates a lot of noise if we send
to user of lower levels for them to be relevant. A user in districts B may
not be interested in alerts from district C would rather only receive from
his only district. But currently if a user in District B is assigned the
alert role, he/she will receive alerts from all districts.  

 

Regards

 

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Phone:        +256 414 320076 <tel:%2B256%20414%20320076> 
Cell:             +256 772 139037 <tel:%2B256%20772%20139037> 

                     +256 752 751776 <tel:%2B256%20752%20751776> 
                    

 





 

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Phone:        +256 414 320076 <tel:%2B256%20414%20320076> 
Cell:             +256 772 139037 <tel:%2B256%20772%20139037> 

                     +256 752 751776 <tel:%2B256%20752%20751776> 
                    

 

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