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[Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi

and yes - while it does not really make sense to change our current LGPL
license since DHIS 1.x is being phased out in any case, I think HISP-SA
should/will largely use the same licenses as HISP-UiO for the future.
Conceptually, there's no significant difference from what I can see.

Regards
Calle

On 2 November 2014 15:07, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Bob/Than,
>
> A bit amusing that you do find stuff like that. probably just reflect that
> different people think differently, and that we have never had a
> lawyer-type going through all of it and streamline.
>
> Conceptually, my understanding has always been that all our software and
> materials are free for people to download, re-distribute, and modify - as
> long as the original license etc follows it, and as long as people are not
> ABUSING it for commercial gain (as in selling the software to somebody who
> does not know it's FOSS - strange, but that kind of thing CAN happen just
> like e.g. a student or an author might copycat materials and present them
> as his/her own).
>
> That said, my (limited) understanding of the law is that in order for you
> to enforce such a license, you HAVE to establish COPYRIGHT over said
> software and materials. So you are basically saying that "this
> software/materials is OUR copyright because we have developed them - and we
> choose to allow anybody to download them, use them, re-distribute them, and
> use them for further development"
>
> Conceptually very similar to the historic standards for any scientific
> publication - all use are encouraged EXCEPT that of copy-cat-ing
> (presenting it as your own), including attempting to disprove the content.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 2 November 2014 14:35, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Calle
>>
>> Thanks for clarification.
>>
>> But I think maybe you still could fix this on the terms of use page on
>> the website, which doesn't indicate anything about LGPL at all.  It seems
>> to me that you could change those terms to apply to the non-software
>> materials on the website, if that is really your intent.  Again something
>> like a creative commons licence might be easier than making up all these
>> terms yourselves.  Then maybe just indicate the software licence(s) on the
>> downloads page.  This would be clearer.
>>
>> We have all our (dhis2.org) documentation released under a GNU Free
>> documentation licence.
>>
>> Ahhhhhhh.  I just noticed that the dhis2.org also has exactly the same
>> dreaded "terms of use" page : https://www.dhis2.org/termsofuse.  Have no
>> idea where that came from.  That is confusing and should be changed.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 1 November 2014 21:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We've always used the so called "Lesser GPL" license for 1.x version of
>>> the DHIS - this also allows any type of derivate software (including
>>> commercial ones) AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL SOFTWARE REMAIN FOSS AND THE
>>> ORIGINAL SOFTWARE IS PACKAGED WITH THE LICENSE.
>>>
>>> So the reference to "cannot be used for commercial purposes" refers to
>>> the original software, not significant derivatives. We've never had a
>>> problem with any commercial entity trying to "hi-jack" the software,
>>> though, and I think it is a very unlikely scenario - and even less likely
>>> with DHIS2 because by now every potential customer/user knows it's FOSS.
>>>
>>> What IS possible at some stage is that a commercial software company
>>> would develop some sophisticated add-on package and sell that - we've seen
>>> a number of those with e.g. PostgreSQL, for instance. And we don't have a
>>> problem with that.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Calle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 November 2014 18:41, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agree this is a bit confusing.  I am assuming you read this here:
>>>> http://hisp.org/html/policies.htm#terms
>>>>
>>>> This is actually the HISP South Africa web site and it looks like these
>>>> are conditions which they are applying to the dhis 1.4 software.  Given
>>>> that they now also support v2 they should really update this.  I think it
>>>> reflects some previous reality.
>>>>
>>>> It has no effect on the dhis2 software which you download from
>>>> dhis2.org.
>>>>
>>>> On 1 November 2014 16:22, Ngoc Thanh Nguyen <
>>>> thanh.hispvietnam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> DHIS2 is licensed as BSD which means that one can customize,
>>>>> redistribute, and use it for any purposes (commercial or non-commercial)
>>>>> given that the BSD copyright text are retained.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, in HISP website it says that materials (include software) on
>>>>> the website can not be used for commercial or non-commercial purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a conflict?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Use License
>>>>>
>>>>> a. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the
>>>>> materials (information or software) on HISP's web site for personal,
>>>>> non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not
>>>>> a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - modify or copy the materials;
>>>>>    - use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public
>>>>>    display (commercial or non-commercial);
>>>>>    - attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained
>>>>>    on HISP's web site;
>>>>>    - remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the
>>>>>    materials; or
>>>>>    - transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the
>>>>>    materials on any other server.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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