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[Rodolfo Melia <rmelia@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks everyone. It is good to understand how the max/min is calculated in
DHIS (the documentation should be updated with the content of this email).
We definitely need other ways to set min/ max values - my case has a
specific logic, which needs to be implemented via SQL, until there is a way
to push these values via the API.

Can I confirm that the Min/ Max are set by
- Data Element
- Org Unit
- Cat Combo
- Attribute Combo?


R

*Rodolfo Meliá*
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> "Calle is right here - we do average, then calculate std dev and set the
> upper and lower bounds for each value. We use data from ALL available
> time periods to calculate this (period org unit, data element, option
> combo)."
>
> Here and there and back again :-)
>
> So I wasn't off the reservation, then. We have used the normal
> distribution like this in DHIS 1.x for around 17 years, and it fits the
> majority of data elements. In general, this distribution model handles
> random outbreaks and disruptions reasonably well, since the impact of such
> outliers are dampened. Data elements representing conditions or services
> with strong seasonal variation do not fit so well, and some very particular
> issues like "Male condoms distributed" tend to vary so much that the
> min/max is generally disregarded (outliers here also matter a lot less -
> when you distribute 1-2 billion condoms annually, an error of a few
> thousand does not matter). In DHIS 1.4 there is also a function for setting
> absolute min-max values - most typically used for data elements where e.g.
> only 0 and 1 are valid values. For such cases, statistically calculating
> min-max is obviously irrelevant.
>
> I don't like the use of ALL available time periods, though, since a large
> number of health facilities will see significant changes in their patient
> mix and patient numbers over let us say a 10 year period. We have found
> that 12-18 months provide a good compromise.
>
> So there are still some room for improvement.
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 20 April 2015 at 16:15, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Good. I probably should have known that already, thus why I had to do
>> some statistical analysis outside of DHIS2 to actually calculate reasonable
>> min max. A quick check of the validity of a normal distribution, can be
>> with the skewness and kurtosis , which provide a idea of how "tilted"  a
>> given distribution is.
>>
>> https://www.dhis2.org/doc/snapshot/en/developer/html/apas06.html
>>
>> Anyway, support for import via the API would be good.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 16:06 Lars Helge Øverland <larshelge@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Calle is right here - we do average, then calculate std dev and set the
>>> upper and lower bounds for each value.
>>>
>>> We use data from ALL available time periods to calculate this (period
>>> org unit, data element, option combo)
>>>
>>> Mind you we should not really debate whether to use standard deviations
>>> or not, rather if we should support additional _distributions_ to better
>>> handle different kinds of data. We currently use the normal distribution
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution>.
>>>
>>> Rodolfo - supporting min-max in the Web API is a good idea to allow for
>>> third-party tools - feel free to write a blueprint.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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