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[Araz Abishov <araz@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jose and Morten,

Since we are relying on display[*] properties in SDK and android apps, we
will get translations as soon as api support will be there (if you are
running 2.24, it should not be a problem any more).

Best regards,

—
Araz Abishov,
Android developer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
https://www.dhis2.org/

On June 14, 2016 at 7:21:59 AM, Morten Olav Hansen (morten@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:

Hi again

I'm not sure how this is handled in the SDK, but unless they are using
translate=false, it should "just work". Of course they must be using
`displayName` etc, but probably they are already doing that (I'm sure Araz
can confirm if that's the case)

-- 
Morten Olav Hansen
Senior Engineer, DHIS 2
University of Oslo
http://www.dhis2.org

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Jose Garcia Muñoz <josemp10@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>
> That's great! Happy to hear that! Thanks Morten,
>
> So, do you know when it is going to be pusblished in the SDK as well? Is
> it going to be introduced in the new SDK version?
>
> Thanks
> Jose
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Morten Olav Hansen <morten@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jose
>>
>> We have re-implemented the way translations work in 2.24, so this should
>> not be a problem anymore, even nested field queries will be translated (as
>> long as the app is using displayName and not name), it will require a bit
>> more testing, but it should work fine
>>
>> --
>> Morten Olav Hansen
>> Senior Engineer, DHIS 2
>> University of Oslo
>> http://www.dhis2.org
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Jose Garcia Muñoz <josemp10@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Araz, Morten,
>>>
>>> I am reopening this old thread (sorry  for that :) ), just to know if
>>> you have some updates regarding the use of multilingual in the DHIS2-SDK
>>> (we are mainly interested in the options of the optionsets). Have you had a
>>> chance to work on it? Is this  something that will come up with the new
>>> DHIS2-SDK version?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Jose
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Araz Abishov <araz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don’t think we will be able to use that, since android SDK is built
>>>> around “standalone" API resources, so we need to come up with something
>>>> different. At least we will try to query each resource separately to get
>>>> translations and then combine it with results of “nested” query. If that
>>>> approach will cause performance problems, then we can try to use metadata
>>>> endpoint as alternative for retrieving translations.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Araz Abishov
>>>>
>>>> On February 11, 2016 at 1:07:58 PM, Morten Olav Hansen (
>>>> morten@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sure, that makes sense. I'm actually adding a new endpoint for 2.23
>>>> which could potentially help you, basically its a combination of all our
>>>> endpoints, and the main purpose is to use it for metadata export (for
>>>> moving between servers) but it can also be used for these kinds of
>>>> optimized gets.
>>>>
>>>> Some examples would be:
>>>>
>>>> /api/metadata/export?dataElements=true&programs=true&programStages=true&dataElements:filter=id:in:[1,2,3,4]&dataElements:fields=displayName&programs:filter=id:eq:123&programs:fields=displayName
>>>>
>>>> Etc etc.. you get the idea. I don't currently do translation there, but
>>>> we might want to look into that.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Araz Abishov <araz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Morten,
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem for us is mostly in the way how we are structuring
>>>>> requests (we are using fields property in order to retrieve nested objects
>>>>> like dataelements from program stages). As you said before, nested
>>>>> properties are not translated due to potential performance problems on
>>>>> server. In order to workaround this we will have to make separate requests
>>>>> to each API resource, which can result in performance problem on mobile
>>>>> devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are using displayName, displayFormName fields in objects starting
>>>>> from v2.20, but they don't contain translation because of aforementioned
>>>>> reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Araz
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2016 12:46 PM, "Morten Olav Hansen" <morten@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Araz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you using the normal web-api for your requests? if so, many of
>>>>>> these things would be automatic on your end, just make sure you use
>>>>>> displayName, displayShortName, displayDescription, and displayFormName
>>>>>> instead of name, shortName, description and formName. Changing these should
>>>>>> be backwards compatible for several releases (given the proper field
>>>>>> filter) and would give proper translation from about release 2.20.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course the UI is another matter entirely, but all our endpoints
>>>>>> should have translation support enabled by default (unless you are saying
>>>>>> translate=false in your requests)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Morten
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Araz Abishov <araz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Rodolfo, David and Jose,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to add translation support with current web API
>>>>>>> implementation in mind, we have to restructure legacy SDK in intrusive way
>>>>>>> and it will take a lot of time and effort. In order to avoid “hacks”, we
>>>>>>> will have to wait for full API translation support. We also will be looking
>>>>>>> for other possible solutions in new version of SDK, I will keep updating
>>>>>>> you on changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> Araz Abishov
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On February 10, 2016 at 8:53:20 AM, Rodolfo Melia (
>>>>>>> rmelia@xxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, sdk - just waking up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 10 February 2016, Jose Garcia Muñoz <
>>>>>>> josemp10@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Rodolfo is referring to the SDK... Yes... with the form
>>>>>>>> names and option names translated we are ok...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Rodolfo Melia <rmelia@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Morton - thanks for the clarification. Now that we know that we
>>>>>>>>> have what i think are the two critical translations in the API,
>>>>>>>>> how difficult would it be to add the concept of multilingual to the APK ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 10 February 2016, Morten Olav Hansen <
>>>>>>>>> mortenoh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Translated form names have been available under "displayFormName"
>>>>>>>>>> for a long time, I have added code to 2.22 and trunk to also translate
>>>>>>>>>> options when requesting a optionset (by id or collection). we can't do this
>>>>>>>>>> for all objects, as its a quite heavy operation, normally we only translate
>>>>>>>>>> a single object or a collection of objects
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Morten
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Rodolfo Melia <
>>>>>>>>>> rmelia@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It will be great if we can prioritise the metadata to be
>>>>>>>>>>> multilingual in the API. We already know how to translate the Android UI,
>>>>>>>>>>> by generating our own build.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm copying Morton to see if he can give us an idea of when the
>>>>>>>>>>> API would be able to return the Form Name and Options in multilingual
>>>>>>>>>>> format. It is critical for many of the implementations that we have in the
>>>>>>>>>>> pipeline in Asia - we need the analytics in English, but the data
>>>>>>>>>>> collection, using android, in the local language.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Rodolfo Meliá*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 February 2016 at 14:42, Araz Abishov <araz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, translation of metadata/data is not completely
>>>>>>>>>>>> supported in API due to some implementation complexities in the core, so we
>>>>>>>>>>>> still don’t know when exactly we will be able to implement multilingual
>>>>>>>>>>>> support for android apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What we can do is additional setting for choosing language in
>>>>>>>>>>>> application preferences (but it will work only for UI prompts). In feature,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when API will be completely supporting translations, we will be able
>>>>>>>>>>>> seamlessly integrate support for it in android apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Araz Abishov
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On February 9, 2016 at 3:21:00 PM, Jose Garcia Muñoz (
>>>>>>>>>>>> josemp10@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Araz,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am talking about metadata (dataelements, optionsets, etc...).
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have problems with the user interface...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Araz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Araz Abishov <araz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jose and David,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just have a few questions to understand problem better:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - Are we talking about translation of application prompts or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation of metadata/data?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  - Do you want user to be able to switch languages in user
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface? (a setting which allows to do that)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Araz Abishov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On February 9, 2016 at 1:48:51 PM, David Hagan (
>>>>>>>>>>>>> david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afternoon Jose,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I second the question!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I’ve had this conversation on another thread over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new-year break as we have a similar requirement (English, Russian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukrainian) … we’re making do with one language at the moment, but the next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iteration cycle of the App really needs the user to be able to switch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 February 2016 at 13:32, Jose Garcia Muñoz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> josemp10@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Simen, devs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some months ago we started a conversation with you to know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the DHIS2-SDK is supporting multilingual or not? The answer was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "unfortunately there isn't very good support for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multilingual in the SDK yet. It's actually not that much work we just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't prioritized it yet so it could be made available without too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble... There is a bit of work that has do be done on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> server side to update the web API. Unfortunately I would have to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it likely would come in 2016, but when is unknown"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any updates? was the DHIS2 web API updated? If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, when can we expect that? 2.23?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is becaming some kind of urgent now because we plan to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roll-out different android apps in different countries (speaking French,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English, Spanish, Portuguese)..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, let us know if you have some more information to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *Rodolfo Meliá*
>>>>>>>>> *Principal  |  *rmelia@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Skype: rod.melia  |  +44 777 576 4090  |  +1 708 872 7636
>>>>>>>>> <%2B1%20708%20872%207636>
>>>>>>>>> www.knowming.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Rodolfo Meliá*
>>>>>>> *Principal  |  *rmelia@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Skype: rod.melia  |  +44 777 576 4090  |  +1 708 872 7636
>>>>>>> www.knowming.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Morten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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