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[Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi

I'm running a training/discussion workshop with public health &
surveillance officers tomorrow on the South African pilot Integrated
Disease Surveillance Reporting system, and both symptoms and treatments
have been included on the SA notification form - BUT it was initially
decided to simply limit the number of symptoms to 4 and treatments to 3
(each being a text field). it's not ideal, though, both because there might
be more relevant symptoms/treatments, and also because we will have to use
4 or 3 separate option sets to ensure that the same symptoms are put into
the same data element every time (if analytics results are important, that
is).

So I will raise the issue there and get their take on the primary use of
such data.

Regards
Calle

On 28 September 2016 at 14:51, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Alex,
>
> You might have considerably more than 30 symptoms - it all depends on how
> "specialised" you want them  (re ICD-9 used to be around 10,000 codes - now
> I believe ICD-10 have something like 60-70,000....).
>
> The same logic applies to treatments - assuming 30-100 notifiable diseases
> being tracked, you might have a few hundred treatment options....
>
> I think we need to unpack the main USAGE scenarios for this type of data -
> are we looking for analytics results, or will the data mainly be used to
> provide a "rich picture" for e.g. clinicians, lab engineers, surveillance
> officers, or various specialists to determine e.g. what lab tests to run
>  or what public health actions to take?
>
> Regards
> Calle
>
> On 28 September 2016 at 14:34, Alex Tumwesigye <atumwesigye@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Jason and Prosper,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the idea of how it can be implemented. However, this
>> works for a few options. In IDSR implementation I have encountered more
>> than 30 symptoms. I think, we need to figure out how this can be achieved.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Jason Pickering <
>> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason is has to be separate data elements is because of analytics.
>>> If you have a single data element with multiple choices, there is currently
>>> not a way to aggregate all of these. So lets say you have a question like
>>>
>>> What symptoms does the patient have?
>>> a) Headache
>>> b) Fever
>>> c) Fatigue
>>>
>>> If there was some sort of UI component like you are talking about with a
>>> single data element, we would need to record something like
>>> Headache; Fever; Fatigue
>>> in a single row in the database. When we aggregate it, well, it would
>>> not be really clear how we would do this. We would need to parse out all of
>>> the options and then somehow transform them into
>>>
>>> Headache = 2
>>> Fever = 4
>>> Fatigue = 5
>>>
>>> The of course you have more complicated situations like patients who
>>> have both Fever and Fatigue.
>>>
>>> So, the way it has to be implemented now in DHIS2, is through a boolean
>>> data element.
>>>
>>> Does the patient have a headache?
>>> Does the patient have a fever?
>>> Does the patient have fatigue?
>>>
>>> Aggregation becomes just a matter of counting how many of these are
>>> true.
>>>
>>> So, you could implement some sort of custom control do to this, but in
>>> the end, you would need completely separate data elements, but maybe this
>>> was not really your question, since you were asking about a UI component?
>>>
>>> Currently, its not there, but has been asked for several times.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this, its some blue print being discussed not yet
>>>> implemented, we hope it can come soon especially for IDSR - symptoms. The
>>>> work around right now is to design all the different options are either
>>>> attributes or data elements depending on where they are going to be used
>>>> with data type Yes Only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>>
>>>> ​Or if you are using a custom form, you can implement it your way
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> ​
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Arun Paul <paul.arun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am configuring a program using Tracker Capture. It requires data
>>>>> input using a multi-select dropdown or multi-select checkbox. Example for
>>>>> such a field is "Symptoms" or "Drugs given for treatment". For these
>>>>> fields, I need to select more than one option as answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this UI component already supported?
>>>>>
>>>>> Else, how can I support this through some work around or
>>>>> code-customization ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> ​Thanks in advance
>>>>> ,
>>>>> - Arun Paul
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>> Alex Tumwesigye
>>
>> Technical Advisor - DHIS2 (Consultant),
>> Ministry of Health/AFENET  | HISP Uganda
>> Kampala
>> Uganda
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>>
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>> - DHIS2, Disease Outbreak & Surveillance Systems) & Solar Consultant
>>
>>
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