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[Carl Leitner <litlfred@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think Wnajala is referring to the following:
  http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf <http://www.who.int/hrh/statistics/Health_workers_classification.pdf>
it is a subset of the ISCO-08 codes.

There is some more discussion on this here:
   http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf <http://www.capacityplus.org/files/resources/establishing-using-data-standards-health-workforce-information-systems.pdf>


Note that these classifications are automatically in iHRIS and the MOH can map their job/cadre classifications to these quite easily. 
   
Cheers,
-carl



> On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:27 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Wanjala ....
> VERY good start for a standard list 
> Can you share it with us please 
> Regards
> Arthur
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> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, wanjala pepela <wanjala2p@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:wanjala2p@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> iHRIS always have detailed information and personalized information that are confidential but what is required for exchange is aggregated information; # are ideal, May be countries need to share  common cadres of staff available or my recommendation is to use the WHO- recommended 16 main cadres to collect which will be useful for analysis;
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> From: Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@xxxxxxxxx <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arthurheywood@xxxxxxxxx');>>
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> Subject: [Dhis2-users] Looking for Human Resource System to integrate with	DHIS
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> Prosper 
> good to know ..... 
> BUT 
> On the other hand, this is a great example of not thinking about USE of data ..... UNICEF is  proposing bottleneck analysis that needs HR data ... yet there is no  automatically  genersted quality / usable HR data in one place ...... 
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> Sounds like we need to quickly sit down and start to get aggregated data directly out of IHRIS so we can make bottleneck analysis ..... I hope this January workshop will provide this opportunity 
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> Cheers
> A
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> On Saturday, 8 October 2016, Prosper BT <ptb3000@xxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
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> For bottleneck analysis using HR indicators/data element, HISP Uganda with UNICEF support use aggregate HR DHIS2 dataset, we have not managed to integrate iHRS data yet.
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> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@xxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
> Carl 
> We do not need detailed data .... what was described as "core HRHIS" is more than good enough .... aggregate data with no details so that we can do workload indicators, Bottleneck analysis etc within DHIS, using imported data 
> I would really like to see this in practice somewhere .... any ideas where this integration is actually working already?
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> On 5 October 2016 at 14:56, Carl Leitner <litlfred@xxxxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
> Hey Arthur,
> Let me know if you would like to talk about this.  If you are keen on doing everything in DHSI2 (rather than an separate HRIS system, such as iHRIS) then there are some existing standard data models for health worker information that it would be good to model your data elements after.   
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> Are you looking more for the aggregate number of HWs or do you need information on the HWs themselves?
> Cheers,
> -carl
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>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
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>> Arthur,
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>> I'm not directly involved with the HRIS work using DHIS, my current focus is on a fully integrated disease surveillance system. Will find out and get back to you.
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>> Regards
>> Calle
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>> On 4 October 2016 at 15:15, Arthur Heywood <arthurheywood@xxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
>> Calle 
>> In Zambia we are also looking to set up what you call a "core" Human Resource HMIS ... mainly to do some "Bottleneck analysis" for our MDGi districts ...
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>> Are we able to use a beta version and see what we are able to adapt it to our needs (same people being called different professional jobs  etc)  and then feed back into the development process ....interesting to know how far you have progressed?
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>> Cheers
>> a
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>> On 26 August 2016 at 23:08, Calle Hedberg <calle.hedberg@xxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
>> Laura,
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>> The two main HRIS component designs "within" DHIS2 are the HRHIS in Tanzania and another in Vietnam (John Lewis or Morten will be able to tell you more about that one). 
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>> South Africa is currently using a customised Tracker app for managing Community Service and Internships (around 10,000 graduates are applying for internship or Community Service posts per annum). 
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>> We are also working on a "core" workforce registry tightly integrated with DHIS2. By "core" I mean it will only deal with actual HR resources including position, what they are licensed/authorised to do, and contact details. Things like continuous education, bursaries, payroll, etc are processed/managed by other systems. A major advantage of tight integration will be the ability to use DHIS2 communication and messages + user registration to communicate directly with health workers - in particular since health workers increasingly will be interacting directly with DHIS2 on a daily basis through (daily) capturing of routine data, disease notifications, various Tracker apps (browser or Android), etc.
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>> Your basic requirements seem very similar: your primary need is to track the workforce as an INPUT RESOURCE to health service delivery, and not to track salaries and CVs and health insurance and employment history and a bunch of other "personal" things. So you need to know WHO they are, where they actually work and with what (in what position), what they are able to do (mostly this relates to formal/legal practice licensing etc, but it could be expanded to include specialist knowledge about certain diseases etc), and how to contact them.
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>> Regards
>> Calle
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>> On 26 August 2016 at 21:56, gerald thomas <gerald17006@xxxxxxxxx <>> wrote:
>> I had use ihris and it is good. If you want help with it I am willing to help.
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>> On Aug 26, 2016 6:46 PM, "Laura E. Lincks" <laura.lincks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx u <>> wrote:
>> We are looking for a simple Human Resources tool to integrate with a DHIS aggregate database. Little is known of the needs of the HRIS, but for now it needs to track personnel details and groups of personnel will need to be associated with various programs in a separate DHIS aggregate database. An Open Source HRIS is preferable.
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>> In searching for tools I have come across the following:
>> HRHIS  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRHIS>in Tanzania developed by the HISP-TZ/University of Dar es Salaam
>> iHRIS <http://www.ihris.org/> developed by global Capacity Project.​
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>> I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of or experience with these packages or if there were other applications that could be of use to us?
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>> Thanks in advance to anyone with leads or information.
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