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[Alex Tumwesigye <atumwesigye@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Deepali,

Thanks. Now I see the complexity. Even if you used relationship in programs
e.g program is related to a goal, a goal program is related objectives and
objective program is related to outcome and so on would be complex to
implement.

However, I had tried to use this relationship thing in programs for
tracking projects where a project has consultants and consultants have
tasks and tasks have resources attached to them ....... but I didnt finish
with since it was a concept for demonstrating a use case. May be I should
touch base on it and we share experiences.

Alex

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Dipali Sahu <dipali.sahu@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> We did consider using the Tracker. I am sure there must be a way, 2
> important challenges we faced were:
>
>    - We can set up a project as a program in Tracker. But, how do we get
>    the levels in the results framework, for example a project logframe has
>    Goal, Each goal can have multiple objectives under it, and each Objective
>    can have multiple outcomes, Outcome can have multiple outputs and Output
>    can have multiple indicators. Logframe structure is flexible and different
>    for different donor/project.
>    - Calculating achievement, where achievement= indicator value/Target
>    *100. We made targets as datasets. There fore, if we use tracker, the
>    numerator can come from Program indicator but denominator is in Aggregated
>    part (in datasets).
>
> Thank you
> Deepali
> International Medical Corps
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Alex Tumwesigye <atumwesigye@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Dipali,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.It looks like you tried out the Aggregate module, did
>> you attempt to see if the tracker could do this? If a project is seen as a
>> program, then you track it, just thinking.......
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Dipali Sahu <dipali.sahu@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. If one is to take a simplified view and prefer to implement the thing
>>> through meta-data definition, how would you advise the community? I
>>> would say it will be challenging, because typically Results framework can
>>> have multiple levels and typically are flexible in design unless the user
>>> is deciding on a fixed format.. We actually faced issues with this, some of
>>> them given below:
>>>
>>>    - Project was created as "Org unit group" >> this led to projects
>>>    list show up in pivot table and other places within org unit.
>>>    - Outcomes and objectives which are levels of the results framework
>>>    and have group of indicators under them were made as Data indicator groups.
>>>    Again these started showing up in pivot tables etc.
>>>    - Major issue was, one indicator can be mapped to multiple projects.
>>>    For example, Number of consultations provided is an indicator under all
>>>    projects. Therefore, one indicator has multiple targets, baselines, source
>>>    of verification etc (for different projects).Creating new indicator for
>>>    each new project was a complete no-no for us.
>>>    - Handling targets was difficult because, target for a certain
>>>    indicator and certain project is valid for the project lifetime. Now,
>>>    projects can have any start and end dates, therefore, target datasets had
>>>    to me made monthly.
>>>    - generating a valid logframe report, when different indicators
>>>    belonged to different org unit. We had logframe where different levels
>>>    belonged to different org units. for example, Objective A is for Org unit
>>>    A, and Objectve B is for org unit 2.Here, the user had no options other
>>>    than choosing the right org unit from a selection window, again and again
>>>    for different indicators.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. If the app you are is in some sort of working state, is is something
>>> that you could share to the community? I am not sure at this moment,
>>> but ours is very specific to our needs and is not generic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Abyot Asalefew Gizaw <abyot@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Depali,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for sharing your experience.
>>>>
>>>> Two questions:
>>>>
>>>> 1. If one is to take a simplified view and prefer to implement the
>>>> thing through meta-data definition, how would you advise the community?
>>>>
>>>> 2. If the app you are is in some sort of working state, is is something
>>>> that you could share to the community?
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Abyot.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Dipali Sahu <dipali.sahu@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Abyot
>>>>>
>>>>> I had worked with DHIS2 in the Agriculture sector. I would say more or
>>>>> less , with customization we could fulfill the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> At present, I with my team are *particularly working on Results
>>>>> Framework which has logical framework* having goals, outcome, outputs
>>>>> , indicators etc. We tried to build the module within DHIS in phase 1 and
>>>>> we were successsfulyl able to monitor project's results framework.But over
>>>>> time, the requirements came out to be really complicated and elaborate
>>>>> because results framework doesn't just have a list of indicators but the
>>>>> logical relationship between various level of the logframe helping in
>>>>> overall project monitoring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, now we are building the module outside DHIS where we are
>>>>> developing a project logframe structure page (we are calling this as
>>>>> Project Management app) which can call indicator values from DHIS. Each
>>>>> indicator has a few attributes like type; baseline value, source of
>>>>> verification etc. Similarly project has attributes like start & end dates,
>>>>> donor, area of operation, total budget, sub-grants etc. We are calling this
>>>>> module as Project management module.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope, this info is of some use
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> Deepali
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Abyot Asalefew Gizaw <abyot@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any experience that you can share about the use of DHIS2 in
>>>>>> Agriculture sector?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone is interested in using DHIS2 as a management information
>>>>>> system for Ministry of Agriculture. A particular use case they are
>>>>>> interested is in using DHIS2 in the area of results framework that deal
>>>>>> with indicators of impacts, outcomes and outputs as used in log frame
>>>>>> analysis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for sharing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Abyot.
>>>>>>
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>> --
>> Alex Tumwesigye
>>
>> Technical Advisor - DHIS2 (Consultant),
>> Ministry of Health/AFENET
>> Kampala
>> Uganda
>> +256 774149 775, + 256 759 800161
>> Skype ID: talexie
>>
>> IT Consultant (Servers, Networks and Security, Health Information Systems
>> - DHIS2, Disease Outbreak & Surveillance Systems) & Solar Consultant
>>
>>
>> "I don't want to be anything other than what I have been - one tree hill "
>>
>
>


-- 
Alex Tumwesigye

Technical Advisor - DHIS2 (Consultant),
Ministry of Health/AFENET
Kampala
Uganda
+256 774149 775, + 256 759 800161
Skype ID: talexie

IT Consultant (Servers, Networks and Security, Health Information Systems -
DHIS2, Disease Outbreak & Surveillance Systems) & Solar Consultant


"I don't want to be anything other than what I have been - one tree hill "