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[Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes there are several options, but one to potentially silently track
 people recording data should be actively discouraged by the coordinators
of the project in my opinon, due to potential for misuse and privacy
concerns.

If implementers want to do it themselves, we have given them the tools to
do so.

Regards,
Jason



On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> My point is there are several options
> On Mar 11, 2016 9:04 AM, "Jason Pickering" <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, it seems we are from David's suggestion unless I am
>> misunderstanding the requirement
>>
>>
>>    - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile
>>    workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets,
>>    homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an
>>    automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey
>>    form, fulfils that monitoring purpose
>>    - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking at
>>    this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS
>>    coordinates every 30 minutes or so
>>
>> I think people will probably do this anyway, but I agree with Terje, that
>> this is not something that should be part of the core tools distributed by
>> the core dev team. If people want to do it, then they will probably figure
>> out a way to do it, but I would not want to install such an app on my own
>> device. Its bad enough as it is without having to worry about DHIS2
>> continuously tracking you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> But you could give users the option of recording event locations
>>> automatically for a while for convenience, as Bram says. A user could then
>>> switch this feature on or off.
>>>
>>> We are not talking about continous tracking of movement, no location
>>> would be recorded unless the users explicitly records an event.
>>>
>>> Knut
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Terje Aksel Sanner <tasanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In general it is not in our spirit to develop tools that easily lend
>>>> themselves to task force surveillance.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Jason Pickering <
>>>> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Moreover, it has privacy implications, and obviously, people would
>>>>> need to be informed they are being tracked. I don't like it and think it
>>>>> should require the explicit action of the user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said all of that, we have also implemented the "Coordinate"
>>>>> data value type, which is also meant to be able to allow recording of
>>>>> coordinate data in aggregate data sets (possibly tracker as well) which
>>>>> might be a distinct coordinate from the one of the event. I do not think it
>>>>> has been implemented as a feature in any of the clients at the moment, but
>>>>> it has been a requested feature to do this from some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rangarirai Matavire <
>>>>> matavirer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seem I just waded into a storm. Notwithstanding, I stand unconvinced
>>>>>> about the necessity of such a feature. I do not think the aim was ever to
>>>>>> track healthworker locations. It was to track disease incidents. I do not
>>>>>> think anyone can provide evidence that such a feature has improved health
>>>>>> work. Knowing where someone is at a point in time is definitely distinct
>>>>>> from ensuring a service is provided adequately. I think there are better
>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 15:55, "David Hagan" <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ranga,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can think of a multitude of reasons, here’s a couple:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile
>>>>>>>    workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets,
>>>>>>>    homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an
>>>>>>>    automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey
>>>>>>>    form, fulfils that monitoring purpose
>>>>>>>    - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking
>>>>>>>    at this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS
>>>>>>>    coordinates every 30 minutes or so
>>>>>>>    - Just to save time for busy users who have queues of patients
>>>>>>>    - ….
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also ask this functionality (a configuration option) to
>>>>>>> auto-capture reporting date/time as well! In one of our scenarios … data is
>>>>>>> only ever entered ‘live’ - so being able to capture both of these fields
>>>>>>> automatically saves time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM Rangarirai Matavire <
>>>>>>> matavirer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> Why would that be necessary if when capturing data a user can
>>>>>>>> simply press a button to get co-ordinates?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Ranga
>>>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 14:56, "David Hagan" <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I second the request!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our users would also like that ability for the Android Event
>>>>>>>>> Capture and Tracker Capture Apps (perhaps a configuration setting we can
>>>>>>>>> specify?) to allow the auto-capture of GPS coordinates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:47 PM Erling Fjeldstad <erling@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>>>>> The Android Event Capture app and Android Tracker Capture app
>>>>>>>>>> allows you to collect GPS coordinates. However, this is not automatically,
>>>>>>>>>> the users needs to manually press the 'coordinate button' and then the
>>>>>>>>>> Android system fetches your GPS coordinates.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Erling - DHIS2 Android Team
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Simon Muyambo <
>>>>>>>>>> smmuyambo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want users to auto load coordinates when capturing data on
>>>>>>>>>>> location using tablets. Anyone know if there is suitable app or set up to
>>>>>>>>>>> achieve this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Regards*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Simon Muyambo*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Jason P. Pickering
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