dhis2-users team mailing list archive

[David Hagan <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Great discussion,

I understand the sentiments being expressed. A quick note that my examples
were were just demonstrating potential tracking scenarios that I am
personally aware of (not currently in DHS2)

The ‘option’ to be able to turn this feature on, as an end-user capability,
would perhaps be a useful compromise - give the power to the user of the
device. That’s the request we’ve had at least.

David

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Well, it seems we are from David's suggestion unless I am misunderstanding
> the requirement
>
>
>    - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile
>    workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets,
>    homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an
>    automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey
>    form, fulfils that monitoring purpose
>    - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking at
>    this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS
>    coordinates every 30 minutes or so
>
> I think people will probably do this anyway, but I agree with Terje, that
> this is not something that should be part of the core tools distributed by
> the core dev team. If people want to do it, then they will probably figure
> out a way to do it, but I would not want to install such an app on my own
> device. Its bad enough as it is without having to worry about DHIS2
> continuously tracking you.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> But you could give users the option of recording event locations
>> automatically for a while for convenience, as Bram says. A user could then
>> switch this feature on or off.
>>
>> We are not talking about continous tracking of movement, no location
>> would be recorded unless the users explicitly records an event.
>>
>> Knut
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Terje Aksel Sanner <tasanner@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In general it is not in our spirit to develop tools that easily lend
>>> themselves to task force surveillance.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Jason Pickering <
>>> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moreover, it has privacy implications, and obviously, people would need
>>>> to be informed they are being tracked. I don't like it and think it should
>>>> require the explicit action of the user.
>>>>
>>>> Having said all of that, we have also implemented the "Coordinate" data
>>>> value type, which is also meant to be able to allow recording of coordinate
>>>> data in aggregate data sets (possibly tracker as well) which might be a
>>>> distinct coordinate from the one of the event. I do not think it has been
>>>> implemented as a feature in any of the clients at the moment, but it has
>>>> been a requested feature to do this from some people.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rangarirai Matavire <
>>>> matavirer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Seem I just waded into a storm. Notwithstanding, I stand unconvinced
>>>>> about the necessity of such a feature. I do not think the aim was ever to
>>>>> track healthworker locations. It was to track disease incidents. I do not
>>>>> think anyone can provide evidence that such a feature has improved health
>>>>> work. Knowing where someone is at a point in time is definitely distinct
>>>>> from ensuring a service is provided adequately. I think there are better
>>>>> ways.
>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 15:55, "David Hagan" <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ranga,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can think of a multitude of reasons, here’s a couple:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile
>>>>>>    workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets,
>>>>>>    homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an
>>>>>>    automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey
>>>>>>    form, fulfils that monitoring purpose
>>>>>>    - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking
>>>>>>    at this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS
>>>>>>    coordinates every 30 minutes or so
>>>>>>    - Just to save time for busy users who have queues of patients
>>>>>>    - ….
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also ask this functionality (a configuration option) to
>>>>>> auto-capture reporting date/time as well! In one of our scenarios … data is
>>>>>> only ever entered ‘live’ - so being able to capture both of these fields
>>>>>> automatically saves time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM Rangarirai Matavire <
>>>>>> matavirer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> Why would that be necessary if when capturing data a user can simply
>>>>>>> press a button to get co-ordinates?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Ranga
>>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 14:56, "David Hagan" <david.hagan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I second the request!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our users would also like that ability for the Android Event
>>>>>>>> Capture and Tracker Capture Apps (perhaps a configuration setting we can
>>>>>>>> specify?) to allow the auto-capture of GPS coordinates.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:47 PM Erling Fjeldstad <erling@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>>>> The Android Event Capture app and Android Tracker Capture app
>>>>>>>>> allows you to collect GPS coordinates. However, this is not automatically,
>>>>>>>>> the users needs to manually press the 'coordinate button' and then the
>>>>>>>>> Android system fetches your GPS coordinates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Erling - DHIS2 Android Team
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Simon Muyambo <
>>>>>>>>> smmuyambo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want users to auto load coordinates when capturing data on
>>>>>>>>>> location using tablets. Anyone know if there is suitable app or set up to
>>>>>>>>>> achieve this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Regards*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Simon Muyambo*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of
>>>>>>>>>> virus signature database 13156 (20160310) __________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>>>>>>> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>>>>>>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>>>>>> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>>>>>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>>>>> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>>>>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jason P. Pickering
>>>> email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> tel:+46764147049
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Terje Aksel Sanner
>>> Researcher at IFI, UiO
>>> http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Terje_Sanner/
>>> +47 91 75 98 27
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
>>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Knut Staring
>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>> Norway: +4791880522
>> Skype: knutstar
>> http://dhis2.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jason P. Pickering
> email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
> tel:+46764147049
> _______________________________________________
> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
> Post to     : dhis2-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users
> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>