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[Stuart Langridge <sil-launchpad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

"It's true that with the current UI you can't change the ringtone volume
while media is playing. But there's still no explanation here of why
that would actually be a problem"

An additional piece of information which may weigh into this discussion
(I propose no solutions here) is that of apps and games which play
sounds but do not play constant music. This may be because they are
capable of playing background music but the user has switched it off, or
that the app is not a game but uses sounds for various events. In such a
situation, it is often very difficult to decrease the sound volume of
the game. If the current foreground app is, for example, a game which
plays sounds for events but does not have background music, then it's
very unclear what using the hardware volume keys is *expected* to do in
this situation. Application sounds obey the media volume setting, not
the ringer volume setting (and I assume for this discussion that they
will continue to do so, although see below). If the hardware volume keys
are used when such a game is the current app, should they adjust the
media volume? The phone is not currently playing any media, and there is
no obvious direct feedback to be heard when the media volume adjusts
(unlike, for example, the music app, where a media volume change is
immediately apparent). But if the hardware volume keys adjust the ringer
volume when there is no media *playing*, then it becomes effectively
impossible to decrease the volume of the game's event sounds. Android
and iOS both suffer from this issue, and it is I think at least
partially because there are at least two independent volume settings
(media and ringer) but they are presented as one context-dependent
setting. Maybe separating out the two settings and making them
independently adjustable would help alleviate this confusion (at the
cost of additional complexity)?

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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1478075

Title:
  Sound indicator should only indicate ringtone volume

Status in Canonical System Image:
  New
Status in Ubuntu UX:
  Incomplete
Status in indicator-sound package in Ubuntu:
  Incomplete

Bug description:
  On the phone, the volume indicator follows the current active stream
  volume (music, alarm etc.) to show and control via slider and/or
  volume buttons.

  The indicator icon and slider should only ever follow the ringtone
  volume. I'm not sure whether volume buttons should work for alarms.

  This is somewhat related to bug #1291458.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 15.04
  Package: indicator-sound 12.10.2+15.04.20150508-0ubuntu1
  Uname: Linux 3.4.67 armv7l
  ActionStates: ({'mediaplayer-app.desktop.greeter': (true, signature '', [<{'running': <false>, 'state': <'Paused'>}>]), 'mute': (true, '', [<false>]), 'phone-settings': (true, '', []), 'mic-volume': (true, '', [<1.0>]), 'scroll': (true, 'i', []), 'high-volume': (true, '', [<false>]), 'play-playlist.mediaplayer-app.desktop': (true, 's', []), 'desktop-settings': (true, '', []), 'mediaplayer-app.desktop': (true, '', [<{'running': <false>, 'state': <'Paused'>}>]), 'play.mediaplayer-app.desktop': (true, '', [<'Paused'>]), 'volume': (true, 'i', [<0.7414398193359375>]), 'next.mediaplayer-app.desktop': (true, '', []), 'indicator-shown': (true, '', [<false>]), 'root': (true, '', [<{'title': <'Dźwięk'>, 'accessible-desc': <'Głośność (74%)'>, 'icon': <('themed', <['audio-volume-high-panel', 'audio-volume-high', 'audio-volume', 'audio']>)>, 'visible': <true>}>]), 'silent-mode': (true, '', [<false>]), 'previous.mediaplayer-app.desktop': (true, '', [])},)
  ApportVersion: 2.17.2-0ubuntu1.1
  Architecture: armhf
  Date: Fri Jul 24 18:07:15 2015
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2015-07-23 (1 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 15.04 - armhf (20150723-020304)
  SourcePackage: indicator-sound
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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