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[Cody Garver <codygarver@xxxxxxxxx>]

I meant make a votebin then share it across Facebook and Twitter..

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Well unfortunately we don't have 3,000+ people watching votebin and
> automatically sharing the poll when they vote.
>
> Best Regards,
> Daniel Foré
>
> El ago 29, 2012, a las 3:48 p.m., Cody Garver <codygarver@xxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
>
> I only use it because I'm bad at Empathy. Please use a more neutral poll
> system like VoteBin <http://votebin.appspot.com/> in the future.
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I think my biggest point against the messaging menu is that I feel it
>> doesn't really give me useful information if I want to ignore a
>> notification.
>>
>> For example, maybe I don't care what's in my email right now. That little
>> envelope is going to stay lit up and maybe I'll miss something from Empathy
>> because I'm just ignoring the blue envelope.
>>
>> But with the badges in the dock, now I have everything separated out to
>> where I can see exactly which apps wanted my attention and I can ignore the
>> ones I'm not terribly concerned about at the time.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Pim Vullers <pim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess dropping it for beta is a good idea. If there is a small set of
>>> users only that require it, they can still install it when it is not
>>> present on a fresh install.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Tate <s@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well since Plank no longer has "app open" indicators, we are trying to
>>> remove the distinction between open and closed apps (like on mobile
>>> platforms) because it simply isn't relevant any more. This means that users
>>> will have a combination of "open" and "closed" apps stored in their dock,
>>> and the ones they are getting messages from (Empathy, Geary) will also be
>>> in the messaging menu.
>>> It's just redundant to have two visual reminders (Red Badge in Plank and
>>> Blue Icon in Wingpanel) so it should just be removed. I think eventually
>>> the plan is to have a system wide notification area like Android, iOS or
>>> OSX, and this is just one step towards that.
>>>
>>> I'm all for removing it - at least for beta1 to see if anyone actually
>>> misses it.
>>>
>>> On 29 August 2012 21:10, Conscious User <conscioususer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As an early supporter and still frequent user of the Messaging Menu,
>>>> I want to reply to some of the points raised here. It is particular to
>>>> take
>>>> the following into consideration:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Whether you intend to support the concept of hiding windows.
>>>>
>>>> Shnatsel said it's a poor copy of the dock, but I personally
>>>> differentiate
>>>> between "foreground" applications that are part of my current workflow
>>>> (be it programming, fooling around or preparing lectures) with
>>>> "background" applications that run indepedently of which workflow I'm
>>>> currently on.
>>>>
>>>> I like to include the former on the dock, but not the latter. Background
>>>> apps in the dock clutter it, making task switching harder and slower.
>>>> Also, badges in the middle of large colored icons are much less
>>>> efficient
>>>> in attracting my attention. Specially because dock icons are moving
>>>> targets.
>>>>
>>>> All apps in my Messaging Menu use hide-on-close. I personally think the
>>>> MM
>>>> works very well with those. Unfortunately not all of them (ex:
>>>> Thunderbird)
>>>> do that by default and I need to either hack them or use extensions to
>>>> allow them to do that. Which brings to my next point:
>>>>
>>>> 2) The difference between a concept inherent to the Messaging Menu
>>>> and a specific application doing it wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I think the reputation of the MM was somewhat tarnished by applications
>>>> that didn't use it properly (including Canonical-supported ones).
>>>> Granted,
>>>> libindicate is somewhat to blame for allowing those to happen in the
>>>> first place, but sometimes it's worthy imagining what an application
>>>> could
>>>> do with the MM, instead of what it currently does.
>>>>
>>>> Satchitb mentioned that emails are less urgent than IMs. This is
>>>> probably
>>>> true in the general case, but when you use the TB integration for a long
>>>> time, you notice that it's not as dumb as it seems at a first glance:
>>>> it does
>>>> not lit the envelop if the email was sent to a mailing list of you were
>>>> just
>>>> CCed. And does not change the MM at all if the message did not arrive
>>>> in the main inbox. So this property plus a good combination of filters
>>>> restrict the MM to alerting me when I received a direct, personal email.
>>>> And I can't be the only one who once had a boss who used emails for
>>>> instant communication simply because he never bothered to learn
>>>> something else, for example.
>>>>
>>>> Also worth mentioning is that several app developers do not bother to
>>>> implement little details that make MM integration much more usable,
>>>> such as unliting the envelope when the proper window/tab is focused
>>>> like Empathy does.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -c
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em 29-08-2012 13:41, Daniel Foré escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>  Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick question: does anyone use the messaging menu? If so, what
>>>>> for?
>>>>>
>>>>> If not, should we consider not shipping it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>
>>>>
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