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[Dimitri John Ledkov <launchpad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I disagree.

1) non-root users can fetch source packages with pull-lp-source
2) non-root users can fetch source packages with chdist
3) ubuntu users buy pre-installed IoT, routers, phones, tablets, laptops, desktops, servers, clouds, mainframes
4) For fast majority of ubuntu users, the concept and religion of free software is valuable
5) But most of them do not practice their rights.

Yes, pulling source and rebuilding a package is nice. From commandline,
which one needs to know how to use... And to do it probably, one will be
doing it in sbuild anyway.

I find it ironic that most of Ubuntu products have sources disabled,
including launchpad builders, yet the "default" is enabled by default.
In practice, it really only needs to be enabled on developer machines
which by definition is always less than the number of installations.

This is the same sort of logic, where "obvious" seems to end up as
default. E.g. default ubuntu archive location is ports.ubuntu.com
because majority of architectures are hosted there, with amd64 & i386 as
an exception. yet in plenty of configs i see default set to
archive.ubuntu.com with 5 overrides stating that it should be
ports.ubuntu.com. Whilst we provide sources by default, it's an opt-in
behavior of an installed machine, which requires an interactive user,
with a highly specialized knowledge to perform the operation.

** Changed in: apt-setup (Ubuntu)
     Assignee: (unassigned) => Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox)

** Also affects: apt-setup (Ubuntu Xenial)
   Importance: Medium
     Assignee: Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox)
       Status: Triaged

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Title:
  Default sources.list file has source packages enabled by default

Status in apt-setup package in Ubuntu:
  Triaged
Status in apt-setup source package in Xenial:
  Triaged

Bug description:
  The default sources.list file has source packages enabled by default,
  this is bad for the average user (especially those on modems) because
  they are very unlikely to use source packages, however they will still
  have the download overhead of the packages list.

  For most people the deb-src lines could simply be commented out by
  default.

  (Bug reported at the behest of Robert Collins)

  Implementing this would probably invalidate bug 301602. See also bug
  987264.

  Mailing list discussion:
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2013-May/thread.html#14503
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2013-July/thread.html#14617

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