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"What name would give to the people that do the kind of Invalid ->
Confirmed -> Invalid -> Confirmed toggling that was taking place before
I used that name? At least that silly nonsense stopped!"

It stopped because penalvch stopped changing a known and verified problem from "confirmed" to "invalid".
I would point the blame where it is due. > panalvch.  Not everybody for trying to keep a known and verified bug report open.


"I have grown rather tired of the kinds of things that are said and done
on these lists concerning the Realtek drivers. I am not an employee of
Realtek, nor am I paid by them. In addition, I have no knowledge of what
is needed to make the chip work other than what I deduce by reading the
code! You can also do that."

This is why I stated that those working to develop a fix for this unholy dung-pile of a problem is the result of poor/lazy development on the manufacturers part. I know it takes a lot and requires a lot of programming / reversing knowledge. 
When I say they have my gratitude, I mean all who are participating in creating patches, testing, documenting, ETC.
I would suggest that when these people make comments about a issue that is NOT the direct fault of linux devs that they should be informed to shut their ignorant mouths and go back to their beloved windows. Because they and their ignorance are not needed. "If you can't help, than simply LEAVE !!  Support the team or LEAVE - Period"


"One other thing that irks me is that when I post a potential fix in the
form of a patch, it might take one or two WEEKS before anyone tries it
and reports back. By that time, it is difficult to remember what is
happening or even why I thought the change might be a good idea. In
addition, you can imagine how high I think the priority is for that
particular complaint."

This is VERY understandable, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to appreciate any patients given. I must say however, I fall in line more with Ryan McClures' comments. Although I generally attempt to refrain from making posts in public forums, specifically if I am not an "expert". I USUALLY only post if I know for a fact I can help. 
This is because two things usually happen. 
1) I could possibly derail the forward momentum of the project.
2) So I don't have to be scolded, or flamed, or ridiculed, or you name it, by hot-headed elitest peeps who simply just yell at others for asking questions.
I always try searching and use various google operators to limit the numbers of possible hits to research. But sometimes it's just faster if somebody knowledgeable can spit out a fast 1,2,3 how-to without a lot of details which can then lead a person to a more detailed search.  ( I think I proved this point because I have not asked any questions in this website, because I search for answers. But this slows things down a lot).

So as for you having to wait so long for testers I would be willing to
help with testing but only if small steps are given when a request for
testing is posted. This way I don't have to waste everybody's time with
incorrect or incomplete data. It can sometimes take a long time to find
relevant info to what you need to accomplish and further test it before
you attempt to try the said update or patch so the resulting data can be
accurate.


You mentioned Fedora... (I love Fedora and the only reason I'm not using it now is because of this unholy realtec problem and no they don't deserve to have their name capitalized or spelled correctly). Lubuntu 12.04 uses a kernel 3.2.0.23 which works flawlessly with the crummy realtec wireless nic. Granted I have to block it from updating the kernel but I do still get program updates.
I love Fedora because of the massive amounts of documentation from top to bottom and it is extremely well organized. I have learned a lot about linux from that distro and I even downloaded all the documentation and keep it on my ipod. But ubuntu isn't fedora.

As for my ability to help I would give myself a rating as follows:
Dangerous / Intermediate user of linux who is not afraid to mess with stuff.
But I do only have so much time in a day to figure stuff out and having zero guidance makes for burning through that time pretty quick with little or no results.  So I guess if you want fast results than (with all due respect) don't be elitist and have patients when people ask questions if they don't understand what you're talking about.

I have been told numerous times by many people that I should be a teacher. I don't claim to be smarter than anybody at all, I just have patients.
If I were wanting fast results I would make a post on the topic stating that questions are welcome and GOOD, as virtually no questions are dumb unless they are intended to be dumb. This would allow unsure people like myself to brave asking how to do something we don't understand. which could makes things move along much faster. If a troll comes in and asks a dumb question than don't waste your breath, simply say "shutup".

The way people should respond to questions is not right off the bat.... RTFM !! But more less a comment like "go look for this (put example here).
Just because you know what to search for doesn't mean everybody (with less knowledge on the subject as yourself) knows what they are trying to find the answer for.
Half the trouble with learning something new is simply figuring out what it is we are trying to learn. Once you know that answer it's down hill from that point.


I am sorry for the long post and I thank those who took the time to read it.  I know it's off topic but this whole thread became off topic and now hopefully we can get things rolling once again, or perhaps even find a solution to the problem known as realtec.


I appreciate everybody who is working on this mess created by realtec, not by linux devs or helpful individuals who have a great bit of knowledge with linux and are spending their own time to help others.


P.S. I have been looking into Arch linux wiki and forums for info on this issue but so far I am not winning the battle. They seem to think the problem is with the power management but when I use iwconfig I am showing "Power Management:off". So I must keep looking because this is a new laptop and I will be using it for years to come and I don't want to be stuck with windows because all new distros are using kernels that don't support realtec nics.


Thank you

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Title:
  10ec:8176 Wireless not working in 12.04 for rtl8192ce (RTL8188CE)

Status in “linux” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed
Status in “linux” source package in Precise:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Wireless no longer seems to work since I upgraded to Precise, it was working (albeit very flaky) ion 11.10, but it never seems to be able to connect to any access points since the upgrade.
  It can see all the available networks, but it can't seem to connect to any of them.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: linux-image-3.2.0-3-generic-pae 3.2.0-3.9
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-3.9-generic-pae 3.2.0-rc4
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-3-generic-pae i686
  AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24.
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  ArecordDevices:
   **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
   card 1: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: CONEXANT Analog [CONEXANT Analog]
     Subdevices: 1/1
     Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  AudioDevicesInUse:
   USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
   /dev/snd/controlC1:  beuno      1763 F.... pulseaudio
  CRDA:
   country EC:
    (2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
    (5170 - 5250 @ 20), (3, 17)
    (5250 - 5330 @ 20), (3, 23), DFS
    (5735 - 5835 @ 20), (3, 30)
  Card0.Amixer.info:
   Card hw:0 'Generic'/'HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0244000 irq 44'
     Mixer name	: 'ATI R6xx HDMI'
     Components	: 'HDA:1002aa01,00aa0100,00100200'
     Controls      : 5
     Simple ctrls  : 1
  Card0.Amixer.values:
   Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
     Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
     Playback channels: Mono
     Mono: Playback [on]
  Card1.Amixer.info:
   Card hw:1 'SB'/'HDA ATI SB at 0xf0240000 irq 16'
     Mixer name	: 'Conexant CX20582 (Pebble)'
     Components	: 'HDA:14f15066,17aa21df,00100302'
     Controls      : 8
     Simple ctrls  : 5
  Card29.Amixer.info:
   Card hw:29 'ThinkPadEC'/'ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30, fw unknown'
     Mixer name	: 'ThinkPad EC (unknown)'
     Components	: ''
     Controls      : 1
     Simple ctrls  : 1
  Card29.Amixer.values:
   Simple mixer control 'Console',0
     Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined penum
     Playback channels: Mono
     Mono: Playback [on]
  Date: Sat Dec 10 12:54:26 2011
  EcryptfsInUse: Yes
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release i386 (20111012)
  MachineType: LENOVO 05962RU
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-3-generic-pae root=UUID=c9ef48cc-ddc5-4873-ac9b-2a14fe2329d3 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
  RelatedPackageVersions:
   linux-restricted-modules-3.2.0-3-generic-pae N/A
   linux-backports-modules-3.2.0-3-generic-pae  N/A
   linux-firmware                               1.62
  SourcePackage: linux
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2011-12-10 (0 days ago)
  dmi.bios.date: 08/25/2011
  dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO
  dmi.bios.version: 8FET31WW (1.15 )
  dmi.board.asset.tag: Not Available
  dmi.board.name: 05962RU
  dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO
  dmi.board.version: Not Available
  dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information
  dmi.chassis.type: 10
  dmi.chassis.vendor: LENOVO
  dmi.chassis.version: Not Available
  dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnLENOVO:bvr8FET31WW(1.15):bd08/25/2011:svnLENOVO:pn05962RU:pvrThinkPadX120e:rvnLENOVO:rn05962RU:rvrNotAvailable:cvnLENOVO:ct10:cvrNotAvailable:
  dmi.product.name: 05962RU
  dmi.product.version: ThinkPad X120e
  dmi.sys.vendor: LENOVO

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