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[Tobias Gogolin <usertogo@...>]

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>Would you have any interest in helping out with the project?

Oh yes I would, not that I am a programmer really, I tried ! But then I
invented (in my head) a new Visual Programming environment in which I would
prefer to be programming, and since that didn't exist yet I would have been
forced to continue the line by line approch and that was just such a waste
of time ;) A viscious cylcle of excuses one could say...

But I hope I am already helping!

I think it would be better if the _Online Library Extension_ was integrated
somehow, like package managment in modern linux distributions... New librar=
y
elements could be equiped with a user review vote system with flags like ne=
w
please review and then numbers of thumbs up or down similar to the 'youtube
comment rating system'...

This and then the inspiration by parametric modeling (PTC, parasolids
engine, solidworks, solidedge...) which to my knowledge may not yet exist i=
n
budget or open source EDA enabling to pattern things even based on the
results of equations, or to scale the design again possibly based on
equations to use package x for [cap/resistor] value < or > X...

I see my function to inspire imagination, Ido want to be involved as I am
here commenting and reviewing, as to get into actual 2d code, I may not hav=
e
the peace of mind...

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Louis Simons <superlou@...> wrote:

> Hi Tobias,
>
>
>
> I was actually hoping to start up a Kicad user community site this summer
> to bring together some of the functionalities that are scattered at
> different places. The working name we were tossing around was Kicademy o=
r
> whatever though that=92s not so important. Basically the features I=92d =
like to
> see all in one place:
>
>
>
> - Tutorials
> - Forums
> - User accounts to allow uploading
> - Schematic symbols
> - PCB Landpatterns
> - User projects to help people publish their work with Kicad
>
>
>
> There is already a site that has some module listings, but it is basicall=
y
> just a list of a few different exported files. I=92d like for the schema=
tic
> symbols and land patterns, once uploaded, to have an image representation
> automatically generated for them. If another user wants to use them, use
> some sort of AJAX drag and drop system to create files ready for importin=
g
> into Kicad. Basic workflow would be:
>
>
>
> 1) User creates an account.
>
> 2) User account gives them a =93workbench=94 on which they can uplo=
ad
> schematic symbols or landpatterns or full =93components=94 (which have ex=
tra
> meta-data) , or create a =93project.=94 In addition, it would be cool if
> projects could be specified open and allow other users to join them.
>
> 3) Another user goes searching on Kicademy looking for some
> components. Finds what he wants, drags it to his bin. When he checks ou=
t
> the bin, the site takes the necessary parts of the creator=92s files and =
makes
> a file ready for import. It would be nice if the site tracked most popul=
ar
> components or something to give users some encouragement for sharing.
>
>
>
> Most of my previous work has been with the open source content management
> system Drupal, so I was kind of hoping to stay with that. It provides a
> strong and flexible framework for user-driven sites, but I=92m always ope=
n to
> new ideas. Would you have any interest in helping out with the project?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Louis Simons
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* kicad-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:kicad-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] =
*On
> Behalf Of *Tobias Gogolin
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:58 PM
> *To:* kicad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [kicad-devel] Library parts sharing online ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there some means or initiative to run some kind of application that
> would allow kicad users to publish a component or pad stack they entered
> into a library (by uploading it to a server) and also to search and downl=
oad
> a library element that has been created by other users of this
> web-application?
>
> This would take the whole open source scheme to the next level and levera=
ge
> the worldwide community!
>
> Thinkable would also be if functional modules (consisting of schematic
> blocks, part placement and routing) were supported by kicad some day, to
> also share these 'cores' (yes very much like the open cores idea in VHDL)
> with the world and make kicad the number one choice in EDA!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tobias Gogolin
> Tel. Movistar (646) 124 32 82
> Tel. Telcel (646) 160 58 99
> skype: moontogo
> messenger: usertogo@...
>
> You develop Sustainable Ranch Technology at
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SURA-TECH
> an Open Source Electric Motor/Alternator at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Performance_Axial_Flux
> and an Open Source Motor Controller at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoBo=
x
>
>=20
>


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Tobias Gogolin
Tel. Movistar (646) 124 32 82
Tel. Telcel (646) 160 58 99
skype: moontogo
messenger: usertogo@...

You develop Sustainable Ranch Technology at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SURA-TECH
an Open Source Electric Motor/Alternator at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Performance_Axial_Flux
and an Open Source Motor Controller at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoBox
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<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">&gt;Would you have any
interest in helping out with the project?</span></font></p><p>Oh yes I woul=
d, not that I am a programmer really, I tried ! But then I invented (in my =
head) a new Visual Programming environment in which I would prefer to be pr=
ogramming, and since that didn&#39;t exist yet I would have been forced to =
continue the line by line approch and that was just such a waste of time ;)=
A viscious cylcle of excuses one could say...<font size=3D"2" color=3D"nav=
y" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:n=
avy"></span></font><br>
</p><p>But I hope I am already helping!</p><p>I think it would be better if=
the _Online Library Extension_ was integrated somehow, like package managm=
ent in modern linux distributions... New library elements could be equiped =
with a user review vote system with flags like new please review and then n=
umbers of thumbs up or down similar to the &#39;youtube comment rating syst=
em&#39;...</p>
<p>This and then the inspiration by parametric modeling (PTC, parasolids en=
gine, solidworks, solidedge...) which to my knowledge may not yet exist in =
budget or open source EDA enabling to pattern things even based on the resu=
lts of equations, or to scale the design again possibly based on equations =
to use package x for [cap/resistor] value &lt; or &gt; X...</p>
<p>I see my function to inspire imagination, Ido want to be involved as I a=
m here commenting and reviewing, as to get into actual 2d code, I may not h=
ave the peace of mind...</p><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 16, =
2009 at 6:45 AM, Louis Simons <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:super=
lou@...">superlou@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">









<div bgcolor=3D"white" lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"blue">

<div>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Tobias,</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I was actually hoping to start up a Ki=
cad
user community site this summer to bring together some of the functionaliti=
es
that are scattered at different places.=A0 The working name we were tossing
around was Kicademy or whatever though that=92s not so important.=A0
Basically the features I=92d like to see all in one place:</span></font></p=
>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li style=3D"color:navy"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Tutorials</span></font></l=
i>
<li style=3D"color:navy"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Forums</span></font></li>
<li style=3D"color:navy"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">User
accounts to allow uploading</span></font></li>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"circle">
<li style=3D"color:navy"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Schematic
symbols</span></font></li>
<li style=3D"color:navy"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">PCB
Landpatterns</span></font></li>
</ul>
<li style=3D"color:navy"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">User
projects to help people publish their work with Kicad</span></font></l=
i>
</ul>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There is already a site that has some
module listings, but it is basically just a list of a few different exporte=
d
files.=A0 I=92d like for the schematic symbols and land patterns, once
uploaded, to have an image representation automatically generated for
them.=A0 If another user wants to use them, use some sort of AJAX drag and
drop system to create files ready for importing into Kicad.=A0 Basic
workflow would be:</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"=
navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:navy"><span>1)<font size=3D"1" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"fo=
nt:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span></font></sp=
an></span></font><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">User creates an account.=
</span></font></p>


<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"=
navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:navy"><span>2)<font size=3D"1" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"fo=
nt:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span></font></sp=
an></span></font><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">User account gives them =
a =93workbench=94 on which they can
upload schematic symbols or landpatterns or full =93components=94 (which
have extra meta-data) , or create a =93project.=94=A0 In addition,
it would be cool if projects could be specified open and allow other users =
to
join them.</span></font></p>

<p style=3D"margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"=
navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:navy"><span>3)<font size=3D"1" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"fo=
nt:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 </span></font></sp=
an></span></font><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Another user goes search=
ing on Kicademy looking for some
components.=A0 Finds what he wants, drags it to his bin.=A0 When he
checks out the bin, the site takes the necessary parts of the creator=92s
files and makes a file ready for import.=A0 It would be nice if the site
tracked most popular components or something to give users some encourageme=
nt
for sharing.</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Most of my previous work has been with=
the
open source content management system Drupal, so I was kind of hoping to st=
ay
with that.=A0 It provides a strong and flexible framework for user-driven
sites, but I=92m always open to new ideas.=A0 Would you have any
interest in helping out with the project?</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards,</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Louis Simons</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></p>

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<p><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href=3D"mailto:kicad-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=3D"_blank">kicad-deve=
l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:kicad-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=
" target=3D"_blank">kicad-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <b><span style=3D"font=
-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Tobias Gogolin<br>

<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 15, 2=
009
11:58 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:kicad-=
users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">kicad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a><br=
>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [kicad-devel] Libra=
ry
parts sharing online ?</span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t">=A0</span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t"><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></p>



<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t">Is there
some means or initiative to run some kind of application that would allow k=
icad
users to publish a component or pad stack they entered into a library (by
uploading it to a server) and also to search and download a library element
that has been created by other users of this web-application?<br>
<br>
This would take the whole open source scheme to the next level and leverage=
the
worldwide community!<br>
<br>
Thinkable would also be if functional modules (consisting of schematic bloc=
ks,
part placement and routing) were supported by kicad some day, to also share
these &#39;cores&#39; (yes very much like the open cores idea in VHDL) with=
the world
and make kicad the number one choice in EDA!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<br>
-- <br>
Tobias Gogolin<br>
Tel. Movistar (646) 124 32 82<br>
Tel. Telcel (646) 160 58 99<br>
skype: moontogo<br>
messenger: <a href=3D"mailto:usertogo@..."; target=3D"_blank">userto=
go@...</a><br>
<br>
You develop Sustainable Ranch Technology at <a href=3D"http://tech.groups.y=
ahoo.com/group/SURA-TECH" target=3D"_blank">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/gr=
oup/SURA-TECH</a><br>
an Open Source Electric Motor/Alternator at <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.=
com/group/Performance_Axial_Flux" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com=
/group/Performance_Axial_Flux</a><br>
and an Open Source Motor Controller at <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/g=
roup/GoBox" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoBox</a>
</span></font></p>

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</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Tobias Gogolin<br>Tel. =
Movistar (646) 124 32 82<br>Tel. Telcel (646) 160 58 99<br>skype: moontogo<=
br>messenger: <a href=3D"mailto:usertogo@...";>usertogo@...<=
/a><br>
<br>You develop Sustainable Ranch Technology at <a href=3D"http://tech.grou=
ps.yahoo.com/group/SURA-TECH">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SURA-TECH<=
/a><br>an Open Source Electric Motor/Alternator at <a href=3D"http://groups=
.yahoo.com/group/Performance_Axial_Flux">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Perf=
ormance_Axial_Flux</a><br>
and an Open Source Motor Controller at <a href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/g=
roup/GoBox">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoBox</a> <br>
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