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[László Monda <laci@xxxxxxxx>]

Users with a trust level larger than X could be the "librarians".
Granular trust levels like the one you're suggesting could be even
better.  I'm not insisting to having an elite group, but having a
group that maintains the library.  Looks like we're talking about the
same approach at the end of the day.

I think http://stackoverflow.com/help/badges could be adapted for such
a purpose.  It not only associates trust to users but provides added
incentives through gamification.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Calvin Grier <ckgrier2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> FWIW I think that any approach should aim to eliminate the librarians. An
> open-source CAD tool simply doesn't have the funds to pay someone, and
> unpaid people invite many other issues. Chris Morgan's idea to have
> submissions subject to various levels of trust, with actual users voting
> seems to be better for long-term maintenance.
>
> Thanks for the link to CircuitHub. They've got a very slick web interface
> for creating parts. It would be nice if the "look-up" could be automated
> through KiCAD.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, László Monda <laci@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Chris & Andrew,
>>
>> You're both welcome to publish your findings regarding your design
>> decisions.  I believe it'd be worthwile to peer-review and discuss
>> different approaches.
>>
>> I consider CircuitHub the best solution so far.  I think Dropbox
>> integration is its best feature but its user interface never seemed
>> intuitive to me and I'm not in peace with its basic principle - I
>> really think that allowing every user to upload their own libraries is
>> a recipe for disaster.  Having 10 different kinds of 74HC595s, half of
>> which is broken is not good for anyone.
>>
>> A powerful and user-friendly parametric library and footrprint
>> generator would be so much useful to have.
>> http://www.compuphase.com/electronics/kicadlibrarian_en.htm is by far
>> the best implementation of this concept.
>> http://kicad.rohrbacher.net/quicklib.php also nails the idea even
>> though I think its user interface is terrible.
>>
>> For one-off parts maybe it'd useful to have something like CircuitHub
>> but only if there'd be a set of parts approved by librarians
>> (administrators of the site).  Without librarians this approach seems
>> to lead to chaos.
>>
>> I'd be interested in developing a web-based library and footprint
>> generator eventually and maybe being a librarian by time.  So far I've
>> created http://mondalaci.github.io/dxf-to-svg-to-kicad-pcb-converter/
>> which solves a different problem but I believe it demonstrates the
>> power of a very intuitive web user interface that just works.  This
>> could be done for footprints, too.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Chris Morgan <chmorgan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hi Andrew.
>> >
>> > Can I email you what I have when it's ready for first review? Then maybe
>> > we
>> > can iterate and discuss as you mentioned? I'd really like to get your
>> > feedback before putting anything out for wide distribution.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Aug 7, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Andrew Seddon <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd just like to extend an offer I made to Chris.
>> >
>> > I've been working on a library creation/management solution full time
>> > for a
>> > couple of years now so have a pretty good grasp of the problem. If
>> > anybody
>> > is interested in pursing this I would be happy to take you through the
>> > design decisions/trade-offs we made, which might act as a good starting
>> > point, and perhaps highlight some of the things that could be done
>> > differently (we tried a lot of different stuff). Happy to
>> > Skype/Hangout/Phone etc.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Chris Morgan <chmorgan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's good that you mentioned kicadcloud.com, I hadn't spotted that
>> >> yet. I did receive email from Andrew @ circuithub and I asked some
>> >> questions about API and other details. There may be potential to
>> >> collaborate with them on the API.
>> >>
>> >> I'm putting together a write up of the problem, the possible
>> >> online/cloud (although I really think that term is over used) solution
>> >> and some implementation ideas. I'll try to follow up here in a few
>> >> days once I have something that is enough to be beyond just some guy
>> >> sending email to the kicad developers list. My initial email was to
>> >> see if anyone else might be on board with the idea and to start to
>> >> gather some details before doing all of that extra work.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM, László Monda <laci@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> > Chris,
>> >> >
>> >> > Not sure whether you've heard of https://circuithub.com/ or
>> >> > http://www.kicadcloud.com/ but they're certainly related even though
>> >> > none of them seem terribly useful to me at the moment.  Maybe some of
>> >> > these sites expose some webservice APIs - Could be a good way to
>> >> > start.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Chris Morgan <chmorgan@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Hello.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sites like http://www.kicadlib.org/ are great for sharing libraries
>> >> >> but I was thinking that having integrated online library sharing
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> better distribute the work while making it easier to share and use
>> >> >> parts. A user could add add trusted sources to their remote
>> >> >> libraries,
>> >> >> contribute new parts, vote on parts etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thoughts? It would probably take a bit of effort to spec out and
>> >> >> implement things, I was thinking of an indiegogo or kickstarter
>> >> >> approach to fund the work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris
>> >> >>
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>> >
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