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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

Looks much nicer with the arrows.

The logo is better, but a little nitpicking. The text does not look
quite right according to the image I linked earlier. Are you sure you
did not edit the string properties? To me it looks like it is not bold
any more, that could be the only thing. The orange dot will then align
more properly up with the i, and the Cad part will not touch the blue
box. At least I get an image pretty much like your, when I make it
non-bold.

2014-12-24 3:38 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> An update with more appropriate arrows and the correct font! :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.  That first response by me really made me sound grumpy--I wish I
>> could unsend it!
>>
>> I think the drag and drop is good for nightlies, but if we make a package
>> and put it in the App Store, we get around the issues from drag and drop, as
>> long as we follow Apple policy on where to put stufff (which I think we do,
>> thanks to Bernhard and all the other OS X Kicad devs scattered throughout
>> time and space).
>>
>> I expect there will be discussion and certainly some  modification s after
>> the next progress update, but then I am going to ask Wayne what he wants me
>> to work on next for packaging -- Windows, some Linux, or pursue getting
>> Kicad into the Mac App Store (for free of course) so Mac folks can install
>> the upcoming "stable" versions through the App Store.
>>
>> Adam Wolf
>> Cofounder and Engineer
>> W&L
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 4:11 PM Martijn Kuipers <martijn.kuipers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Adam, and others,
>>>
>>> I myself several years ago tried a OS X package and know the pain it
>>> gives. I think the Drag & Drop you have is fine.
>>>
>>> If you want to do more interesting things, then I would like to suggest a
>>> program called Packages
>>> (http://s.sudre.free.fr/Software/Packages/about.html).
>>> It should even allow to add multiple bundles and have the user choose
>>> what to install.
>>>
>>> Although I am not sure how to incorporate that into a cake-build, but I
>>> guess we have some of the most knowledgeable cmake-builders (people) on
>>> board.
>>>
>>> Adam, please do not take this as a complaint. I think the work you have
>>> done for OS X users is excellent. I just happen to stumble upon this and
>>> think it might be of help, alleviating some of your pains ;-)
>>>
>>> Anyway, to you and the entire KiCad list: A Merry Christmas and thanks
>>> for KiCad.
>>>
>>> /Martijn
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 21:27, Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks!  Great eye!
>>>
>>> Adam Wolf
>>> Cofounder and Engineer,
>>> W&L
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2014-12-23 22:03 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> > I think Lorenzo made that image.  I am not sure if it is the logo we
>>>> > want to
>>>> > go with, but I found the SVG inside of bitmaps_png/source or something
>>>> > and
>>>> > dragged it into Inkscape.
>>>>
>>>> Aha! I did not notive that. But the reason the logo you have looks odd
>>>> is becuase you don't have the "original" font, which is Tiresias
>>>> LPfont. I can be found on http://www.tiresias.org/fonts/lpfont.zip if
>>>> it is of interest. Seems to be a GPL font, I did not really read the
>>>> copying note. Also note that curl and wget fails on that URL,
>>>> downloading with a browser works fine.
>>>>
>>>> > I definitely think we need to change the arrowheads, both in size and
>>>> > not
>>>> > being pure black--they are very harsh.  I also think that we might
>>>> > want to
>>>> > investigate what a nice subtle texture background looks like too.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://subtlepatterns.com/
>>>> >
>>>> > I will take a stab at a better set of backgrounds in soon, and also I
>>>> > will
>>>> > make my script use an svg from the source, I think, so that anyone
>>>> > with
>>>> > commit access can update the svg and it'll show up in the next day's
>>>> > package.
>>>> >
>>>> > Adam Wolf
>>>> > Cofounder and Engineer
>>>> > W&L
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2014-12-23 21:08 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> >> > I do not think I ever got connected with Miguel enough to get a
>>>> >> > working
>>>> >> > login to the server.  If you have access, I can give you an ssh
>>>> >> > public
>>>> >> > key
>>>> >> > that you can add to a user.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I don't have login access to the machine itself, just the Jenkins
>>>> >> interface.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Also, sneak peek.  (I am not a graphics guy, but I whipped this up
>>>> >> > as a
>>>> >> > barebones example.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Looks great to me, although I think those arrowheads are massive
>>>> >> comared to the arrow line part. And the KiCad logo looks odd to me,
>>>> >> compared to:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.kicad-pcb.org/download/attachments/589828/kicad_logo.png?version=1&modificationDate=1334481453000&api=v2
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But I am not really sure where the original vectorized version is, I
>>>> >> think it was Lorenzo that made it, is that right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Adam Wolf
>>>> >> > Cofounder and Engineer
>>>> >> > W&L
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Nick Østergaard
>>>> >> > <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> 2014-12-23 19:14 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
>>>> >> >> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> >> >> > Hi Nick,
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > I have a jenkins system here--I can upload my build artifacts to
>>>> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> > Kicad
>>>> >> >> > Jenkins though. I would prefer not to make my system be a direct
>>>> >> >> > build
>>>> >> >> > slave
>>>> >> >> > for security reasons.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Ok, this is fair enough.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> But did Miguel ever get around to give you the access to get the
>>>> >> >> automated uploads working?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > I was out sick all last week with a 102F fever, but this weekend
>>>> >> >> > I
>>>> >> >> > updated
>>>> >> >> > my script to build a good Kicad footprints dmg.  I think the
>>>> >> >> > last
>>>> >> >> > thing
>>>> >> >> > left
>>>> >> >> > before the next status update is setting KIGITHUB.  I tested it
>>>> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> > it
>>>> >> >> > works
>>>> >> >> > well, but I need to do it automatically.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Ok, get well soon. Good to hear you are still progressing.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > Adam Wolf
>>>> >> >> > Cofounder and Engineer
>>>> >> >> > W&L
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Nick Østergaard
>>>> >> >> > <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Hello Adam
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> I see that your builds is not added to the Jenkins running on
>>>> >> >> >> ci.kicad-pcb.org. I want to see that happen, and Miguel gave me
>>>> >> >> >> rights
>>>> >> >> >> on Jenkins some time ago.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> So if you are ready to set this up, it should be straight
>>>> >> >> >> forward to
>>>> >> >> >> add a slave node (your OSX machine). All it takes is jave on
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> slave, and a SSH connection. Jenkins copies a jar to the slave
>>>> >> >> >> where
>>>> >> >> >> jenkins operate from.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> It can be used with a username and password, or via SSH keys. I
>>>> >> >> >> tried
>>>> >> >> >> both with the fedora20 connection. Seems to work nicely.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Basically what is needed for the SSH key method, that is a
>>>> >> >> >> private
>>>> >> >> >> key
>>>> >> >> >> on the master and the public key in the authorized_keys file on
>>>> >> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> >> relevant user on the slave. I guess it is best to have a
>>>> >> >> >> dedicated
>>>> >> >> >> user on the box for the kicad build, just for seperation of
>>>> >> >> >> access
>>>> >> >> >> to
>>>> >> >> >> the filesystem.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> The jenkins job is just invoking commands on the shell, so if
>>>> >> >> >> you
>>>> >> >> >> already have a script to do the work, I can just call that from
>>>> >> >> >> jenkins, and you can easily maintain it. I think.  Maybe some
>>>> >> >> >> catches
>>>> >> >> >> for errors is needed for proper buildfailure detection.
>>>> >> >> >> Otherwise I
>>>> >> >> >> guess I can give you rights on the master.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Regards
>>>> >> >> >> Nick Østergaard
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> 2014-10-30 15:01 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
>>>> >> >> >> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> >> >> >> > Hi folks,
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Things are progressing very well on the OS X packaging front!
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Every time bzr is updated for lp:kicad, a Mac build is
>>>> >> >> >> > generated,
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > every
>>>> >> >> >> > night, a clean build is generated and packaged as a dmg.
>>>> >> >> >> > Miguel
>>>> >> >> >> > is
>>>> >> >> >> > working
>>>> >> >> >> > on fixing my SSH credentials on the server, so I can push the
>>>> >> >> >> > build
>>>> >> >> >> > logs
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > dmgs.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > I've done my best to script a dmg creator that matches what
>>>> >> >> >> > end-users
>>>> >> >> >> > expect
>>>> >> >> >> > from downloaded Mac applications.  I think it is very good at
>>>> >> >> >> > this
>>>> >> >> >> > point.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > You can see an image of what it looks like inside one of
>>>> >> >> >> > these
>>>> >> >> >> > dmgs,
>>>> >> >> >> > attached to this email.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > The build log is included with every package, and also will
>>>> >> >> >> > be
>>>> >> >> >> > uploaded
>>>> >> >> >> > next
>>>> >> >> >> > to every package, so that you don't have to download the
>>>> >> >> >> > entire
>>>> >> >> >> > package
>>>> >> >> >> > to
>>>> >> >> >> > see a build log.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > The package is currently around 200 megs.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > The README is dynamically generated at package time.  A
>>>> >> >> >> > sample one
>>>> >> >> >> > follows.
>>>> >> >> >> > Please let me know if you have any additions or suggestions:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > KiCad
>>>> >> >> >> > =====
>>>> >> >> >> > KiCad is an EDA software suite for the creation of
>>>> >> >> >> > professional
>>>> >> >> >> > schematics
>>>> >> >> >> > and printed circuit boards up to 32 copper layers. KiCad runs
>>>> >> >> >> > on
>>>> >> >> >> > Windows,
>>>> >> >> >> > Linux and OS X and is released under the open-source GNU GPL
>>>> >> >> >> > v2
>>>> >> >> >> > free
>>>> >> >> >> > of
>>>> >> >> >> > charge.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > With KiCad you can create schematic diagrams and printed
>>>> >> >> >> > circuit
>>>> >> >> >> > board
>>>> >> >> >> > up to
>>>> >> >> >> > 32 copper layers. KiCad comes with a rich set of libraries
>>>> >> >> >> > with 3D
>>>> >> >> >> > models as
>>>> >> >> >> > well.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > KiCad is a mature EDA software tool under active development
>>>> >> >> >> > by a
>>>> >> >> >> > team
>>>> >> >> >> > of
>>>> >> >> >> > developers and a vibrant user group. KiCad team counts three
>>>> >> >> >> > main
>>>> >> >> >> > developers
>>>> >> >> >> > and a dozen of regular contributors.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Documentation
>>>> >> >> >> > =============
>>>> >> >> >> > Documentation is available in this disk image under docs/,
>>>> >> >> >> > and is
>>>> >> >> >> > available
>>>> >> >> >> > online at http://www.kicad-pcb.org/.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Changelog
>>>> >> >> >> > =========
>>>> >> >> >> > You can browse the changelog at
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-product-committers/kicad/product/changes.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Reporting Issues
>>>> >> >> >> > ================
>>>> >> >> >> > The KiCad developers are working hard to provide quality,
>>>> >> >> >> > binary
>>>> >> >> >> > releases to
>>>> >> >> >> > our users.  As of September 2014, the OS X package is under
>>>> >> >> >> > heavy,
>>>> >> >> >> > active
>>>> >> >> >> > development.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > If you encounter issues with this software, please report a
>>>> >> >> >> > bug at
>>>> >> >> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > To help us, please include the details from "About This
>>>> >> >> >> > Build" in
>>>> >> >> >> > this
>>>> >> >> >> > file
>>>> >> >> >> > or the name of the download file (kicad-r*.dmg).  Please also
>>>> >> >> >> > include
>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> >> > output from running the following command in the Terminal:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >     sw_vers
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > About This Build
>>>> >> >> >> > ================
>>>> >> >> >> > KiCad revision: r5237
>>>> >> >> >> > Packaged on 20143010-034759
>>>> >> >> >> > Packaging script revision: r20
>>>> >> >> >> > Build script revision: r20
>>>> >> >> >> > CMake Settings: -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang
>>>> >> >> >> > -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang++
>>>> >> >> >> > -DwxWidgets_CONFIG_EXECUTABLE=../wx-bin/bin/wx-config
>>>> >> >> >> > -DKICAD_SCRIPTING=OFF
>>>> >> >> >> > -DKICAD_SCRIPTING_MODULES=OFF -DKICAD_SCRIPTING_WXPYTHON=OFF
>>>> >> >> >> > -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=../bin -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > QA/Testing:
>>>> >> >> >> > At the moment, I have set up another OS X machine running a
>>>> >> >> >> > freshly
>>>> >> >> >> > installed 10.10.  I haven't installed anything else, and I am
>>>> >> >> >> > testing
>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> >> > Kicad packages on there, and then once I have tested them, I
>>>> >> >> >> > am
>>>> >> >> >> > reverting
>>>> >> >> >> > the system back to the state as it was "freshly installed."
>>>> >> >> >> > This
>>>> >> >> >> > is
>>>> >> >> >> > not
>>>> >> >> >> > ideal at all, but every day these packages aren't available
>>>> >> >> >> > is
>>>> >> >> >> > another
>>>> >> >> >> > day I
>>>> >> >> >> > spend 20 minutes replying to people asking me where Mac
>>>> >> >> >> > builds are
>>>> >> >> >> > :)
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > What's Left:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > * Automated uploads to the website.  I poked Miguel about
>>>> >> >> >> > this
>>>> >> >> >> > recently,
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > he says he'll try to get to it today.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > * The current Mac build appears to have some dependencies
>>>> >> >> >> > beyond
>>>> >> >> >> > what
>>>> >> >> >> > we
>>>> >> >> >> > include in the bundle.  For example, on a freshly installed
>>>> >> >> >> > 10.10
>>>> >> >> >> > system
>>>> >> >> >> > with this bundle, I cannot open pcbnew.  I verified this
>>>> >> >> >> > myself.
>>>> >> >> >> > A
>>>> >> >> >> > tester
>>>> >> >> >> > reported to me that he was able to fix it by installing brew,
>>>> >> >> >> > libpng,
>>>> >> >> >> > libpixman, and libfontconfig.  I have not verified that fix
>>>> >> >> >> > yet.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > The error is: 06:53:16:
>>>> >> >> >> > dlopen(/Volumes/Contents/PlugIns/_pcbnew.kiface,
>>>> >> >> >> > 10): image not found
>>>> >> >> >> > 06:53:16: IO_ERROR: Fatal Installation Bug
>>>> >> >> >> > missing file:
>>>> >> >> >> > '/Volumes/Contents/PlugIns/_pcbnew.kiface'
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > argv[0]:
>>>> >> >> >> > '/Volumes/Kicad/Kicad/pcbnew.app/Contents/MacOS/pcbnew'
>>>> >> >> >> > from
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > /Users/jenkins/remoteroot/workspace/KiCadMacBuild/kicad/common/kiway.cpp
>>>> >> >> >> > :
>>>> >> >> >> > KiFACE() : line 219
>>>> >> >> >> > It appears that it is looking for
>>>> >> >> >> > Contents/PlugIns/_pcbnew.kiface
>>>> >> >> >> > at
>>>> >> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> >> > wrong place, and I am not sure why installing those libraries
>>>> >> >> >> > would
>>>> >> >> >> > fix
>>>> >> >> >> > that
>>>> >> >> >> > problem.  I am going to pull this out into its own email so
>>>> >> >> >> > discussion
>>>> >> >> >> > of
>>>> >> >> >> > this doesn't get merged with other nightly build questions.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > * Including libraries?  Not sure about this one.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > What has been done:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > * We redid our build cluster in a way that we could let in
>>>> >> >> >> > other
>>>> >> >> >> > people,
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > not see the rest of the Wayne and Layne internal projects.  I
>>>> >> >> >> > hope
>>>> >> >> >> > to
>>>> >> >> >> > get
>>>> >> >> >> > some more people in the packaging group, and this was a
>>>> >> >> >> > crucial
>>>> >> >> >> > first
>>>> >> >> >> > step.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > * We have an OS X machine for building, and an OS X machine
>>>> >> >> >> > for
>>>> >> >> >> > testing,
>>>> >> >> >> > and
>>>> >> >> >> > can restore it to the "freshly installed" state very easily.
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Thanks,
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > Adam Wolf
>>>> >> >> >> > Cofounder and Engineer
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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