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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

Den 24/12/2014 16.00 skrev "Adam Wolf" <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Maybe the bold font didn't install right.  When I tried to install all
three, I got an OS X warning about some font properties.  I will remove the
two nonbold  and only install the bold variant.  I am traveling today for
the holidays, but I will get a new one up soon.

Ok, bit strange, I can provide a SVG where the font is converted to paths,
such that you don't need to mess with that.

Find it attached.

> Any thoughts about the arrows or the rest of it?  I looked at a google
image search of "dmg installation background" and tried to make an arrow in
proportion to what looked typical.  I added a gradient, but I can easily
remove it.  We're working on a subtle circuit board background to add some
life to it, but that will be a few dayswith the holidays.

I think new arrows with the gradient looks great. Som PCB related
background would look good.

> Also, the window size will be made exactly the right size to match the
background--I eyed it for this but found a way to make it exact.
>
> Adam Wolf
> Cofounder and Engineer
> Wayne and Layne
> Adam Wolf
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 3:24 AM Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Looks much nicer with the arrows.
>>
>> The logo is better, but a little nitpicking. The text does not look
>> quite right according to the image I linked earlier. Are you sure you
>> did not edit the string properties? To me it looks like it is not bold
>> any more, that could be the only thing. The orange dot will then align
>> more properly up with the i, and the Cad part will not touch the blue
>> box. At least I get an image pretty much like your, when I make it
>> non-bold.
>>
>> 2014-12-24 3:38 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> > An update with more appropriate arrows and the correct font! :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Adam Wolf <
adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.  That first response by me really made me sound grumpy--I
wish I
>> >> could unsend it!
>> >>
>> >> I think the drag and drop is good for nightlies, but if we make a
package
>> >> and put it in the App Store, we get around the issues from drag and
drop, as
>> >> long as we follow Apple policy on where to put stufff (which I think
we do,
>> >> thanks to Bernhard and all the other OS X Kicad devs scattered
throughout
>> >> time and space).
>> >>
>> >> I expect there will be discussion and certainly some  modification s
after
>> >> the next progress update, but then I am going to ask Wayne what he
wants me
>> >> to work on next for packaging -- Windows, some Linux, or pursue
getting
>> >> Kicad into the Mac App Store (for free of course) so Mac folks can
install
>> >> the upcoming "stable" versions through the App Store.
>> >>
>> >> Adam Wolf
>> >> Cofounder and Engineer
>> >> W&L
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 4:11 PM Martijn Kuipers <
martijn.kuipers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Adam, and others,
>> >>>
>> >>> I myself several years ago tried a OS X package and know the pain it
>> >>> gives. I think the Drag & Drop you have is fine.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you want to do more interesting things, then I would like to
suggest a
>> >>> program called Packages
>> >>> (http://s.sudre.free.fr/Software/Packages/about.html).
>> >>> It should even allow to add multiple bundles and have the user choose
>> >>> what to install.
>> >>>
>> >>> Although I am not sure how to incorporate that into a cake-build,
but I
>> >>> guess we have some of the most knowledgeable cmake-builders (people)
on
>> >>> board.
>> >>>
>> >>> Adam, please do not take this as a complaint. I think the work you
have
>> >>> done for OS X users is excellent. I just happen to stumble upon this
and
>> >>> think it might be of help, alleviating some of your pains ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway, to you and the entire KiCad list: A Merry Christmas and
thanks
>> >>> for KiCad.
>> >>>
>> >>> /Martijn
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 21:27, Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks!  Great eye!
>> >>>
>> >>> Adam Wolf
>> >>> Cofounder and Engineer,
>> >>> W&L
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2014-12-23 22:03 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>:
>> >>>> > I think Lorenzo made that image.  I am not sure if it is the logo
we
>> >>>> > want to
>> >>>> > go with, but I found the SVG inside of bitmaps_png/source or
something
>> >>>> > and
>> >>>> > dragged it into Inkscape.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Aha! I did not notive that. But the reason the logo you have looks
odd
>> >>>> is becuase you don't have the "original" font, which is Tiresias
>> >>>> LPfont. I can be found on http://www.tiresias.org/fonts/lpfont.zip
if
>> >>>> it is of interest. Seems to be a GPL font, I did not really read the
>> >>>> copying note. Also note that curl and wget fails on that URL,
>> >>>> downloading with a browser works fine.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > I definitely think we need to change the arrowheads, both in size
and
>> >>>> > not
>> >>>> > being pure black--they are very harsh.  I also think that we might
>> >>>> > want to
>> >>>> > investigate what a nice subtle texture background looks like too.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > http://subtlepatterns.com/
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I will take a stab at a better set of backgrounds in soon, and
also I
>> >>>> > will
>> >>>> > make my script use an svg from the source, I think, so that anyone
>> >>>> > with
>> >>>> > commit access can update the svg and it'll show up in the next
day's
>> >>>> > package.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Adam Wolf
>> >>>> > Cofounder and Engineer
>> >>>> > W&L
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Nick Østergaard <
oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> 2014-12-23 21:08 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <
adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>>> >> > I do not think I ever got connected with Miguel enough to get a
>> >>>> >> > working
>> >>>> >> > login to the server.  If you have access, I can give you an ssh
>> >>>> >> > public
>> >>>> >> > key
>> >>>> >> > that you can add to a user.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I don't have login access to the machine itself, just the Jenkins
>> >>>> >> interface.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> > Also, sneak peek.  (I am not a graphics guy, but I whipped
this up
>> >>>> >> > as a
>> >>>> >> > barebones example.)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Looks great to me, although I think those arrowheads are massive
>> >>>> >> comared to the arrow line part. And the KiCad logo looks odd to
me,
>> >>>> >> compared to:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
http://www.kicad-pcb.org/download/attachments/589828/kicad_logo.png?version=1&modificationDate=1334481453000&api=v2
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> But I am not really sure where the original vectorized version
is, I
>> >>>> >> think it was Lorenzo that made it, is that right?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> > Adam Wolf
>> >>>> >> > Cofounder and Engineer
>> >>>> >> > W&L
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Nick Østergaard
>> >>>> >> > <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> 2014-12-23 19:14 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
>> >>>> >> >> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>>> >> >> > Hi Nick,
>> >>>> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> > I have a jenkins system here--I can upload my build
artifacts to
>> >>>> >> >> > the
>> >>>> >> >> > Kicad
>> >>>> >> >> > Jenkins though. I would prefer not to make my system be a
direct
>> >>>> >> >> > build
>> >>>> >> >> > slave
>> >>>> >> >> > for security reasons.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Ok, this is fair enough.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> But did Miguel ever get around to give you the access to get
the
>> >>>> >> >> automated uploads working?
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> > I was out sick all last week with a 102F fever, but this
weekend
>> >>>> >> >> > I
>> >>>> >> >> > updated
>> >>>> >> >> > my script to build a good Kicad footprints dmg.  I think the
>> >>>> >> >> > last
>> >>>> >> >> > thing
>> >>>> >> >> > left
>> >>>> >> >> > before the next status update is setting KIGITHUB.  I
tested it
>> >>>> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> > it
>> >>>> >> >> > works
>> >>>> >> >> > well, but I need to do it automatically.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Ok, get well soon. Good to hear you are still progressing.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> > Adam Wolf
>> >>>> >> >> > Cofounder and Engineer
>> >>>> >> >> > W&L
>> >>>> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Nick Østergaard
>> >>>> >> >> > <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Hello Adam
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> I see that your builds is not added to the Jenkins running
on
>> >>>> >> >> >> ci.kicad-pcb.org. I want to see that happen, and Miguel
gave me
>> >>>> >> >> >> rights
>> >>>> >> >> >> on Jenkins some time ago.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> So if you are ready to set this up, it should be straight
>> >>>> >> >> >> forward to
>> >>>> >> >> >> add a slave node (your OSX machine). All it takes is jave
on
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> slave, and a SSH connection. Jenkins copies a jar to the
slave
>> >>>> >> >> >> where
>> >>>> >> >> >> jenkins operate from.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> It can be used with a username and password, or via SSH
keys. I
>> >>>> >> >> >> tried
>> >>>> >> >> >> both with the fedora20 connection. Seems to work nicely.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Basically what is needed for the SSH key method, that is a
>> >>>> >> >> >> private
>> >>>> >> >> >> key
>> >>>> >> >> >> on the master and the public key in the authorized_keys
file on
>> >>>> >> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> >> relevant user on the slave. I guess it is best to have a
>> >>>> >> >> >> dedicated
>> >>>> >> >> >> user on the box for the kicad build, just for seperation of
>> >>>> >> >> >> access
>> >>>> >> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> >> the filesystem.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> The jenkins job is just invoking commands on the shell, so
if
>> >>>> >> >> >> you
>> >>>> >> >> >> already have a script to do the work, I can just call that
from
>> >>>> >> >> >> jenkins, and you can easily maintain it. I think.  Maybe
some
>> >>>> >> >> >> catches
>> >>>> >> >> >> for errors is needed for proper buildfailure detection.
>> >>>> >> >> >> Otherwise I
>> >>>> >> >> >> guess I can give you rights on the master.
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> Regards
>> >>>> >> >> >> Nick Østergaard
>> >>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> >> 2014-10-30 15:01 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
>> >>>> >> >> >> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Hi folks,
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Things are progressing very well on the OS X packaging
front!
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Every time bzr is updated for lp:kicad, a Mac build is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > generated,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > every
>> >>>> >> >> >> > night, a clean build is generated and packaged as a dmg.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Miguel
>> >>>> >> >> >> > is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > working
>> >>>> >> >> >> > on fixing my SSH credentials on the server, so I can
push the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > build
>> >>>> >> >> >> > logs
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > dmgs.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > I've done my best to script a dmg creator that matches
what
>> >>>> >> >> >> > end-users
>> >>>> >> >> >> > expect
>> >>>> >> >> >> > from downloaded Mac applications.  I think it is very
good at
>> >>>> >> >> >> > this
>> >>>> >> >> >> > point.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > You can see an image of what it looks like inside one of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > these
>> >>>> >> >> >> > dmgs,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > attached to this email.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > The build log is included with every package, and also
will
>> >>>> >> >> >> > be
>> >>>> >> >> >> > uploaded
>> >>>> >> >> >> > next
>> >>>> >> >> >> > to every package, so that you don't have to download the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > entire
>> >>>> >> >> >> > package
>> >>>> >> >> >> > to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > see a build log.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > The package is currently around 200 megs.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > The README is dynamically generated at package time.  A
>> >>>> >> >> >> > sample one
>> >>>> >> >> >> > follows.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Please let me know if you have any additions or
suggestions:
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KiCad
>> >>>> >> >> >> > =====
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KiCad is an EDA software suite for the creation of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > professional
>> >>>> >> >> >> > schematics
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and printed circuit boards up to 32 copper layers. KiCad
runs
>> >>>> >> >> >> > on
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Windows,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Linux and OS X and is released under the open-source GNU
GPL
>> >>>> >> >> >> > v2
>> >>>> >> >> >> > free
>> >>>> >> >> >> > of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > charge.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > With KiCad you can create schematic diagrams and printed
>> >>>> >> >> >> > circuit
>> >>>> >> >> >> > board
>> >>>> >> >> >> > up to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > 32 copper layers. KiCad comes with a rich set of
libraries
>> >>>> >> >> >> > with 3D
>> >>>> >> >> >> > models as
>> >>>> >> >> >> > well.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KiCad is a mature EDA software tool under active
development
>> >>>> >> >> >> > by a
>> >>>> >> >> >> > team
>> >>>> >> >> >> > of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > developers and a vibrant user group. KiCad team counts
three
>> >>>> >> >> >> > main
>> >>>> >> >> >> > developers
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and a dozen of regular contributors.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Documentation
>> >>>> >> >> >> > =============
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Documentation is available in this disk image under
docs/,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > available
>> >>>> >> >> >> > online at http://www.kicad-pcb.org/.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Changelog
>> >>>> >> >> >> > =========
>> >>>> >> >> >> > You can browse the changelog at
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-product-committers/kicad/product/changes
.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Reporting Issues
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ================
>> >>>> >> >> >> > The KiCad developers are working hard to provide quality,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > binary
>> >>>> >> >> >> > releases to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > our users.  As of September 2014, the OS X package is
under
>> >>>> >> >> >> > heavy,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > active
>> >>>> >> >> >> > development.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > If you encounter issues with this software, please
report a
>> >>>> >> >> >> > bug at
>> >>>> >> >> >> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > To help us, please include the details from "About This
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Build" in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > this
>> >>>> >> >> >> > file
>> >>>> >> >> >> > or the name of the download file (kicad-r*.dmg).  Please
also
>> >>>> >> >> >> > include
>> >>>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > output from running the following command in the
Terminal:
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >     sw_vers
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > About This Build
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ================
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KiCad revision: r5237
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Packaged on 20143010-034759
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Packaging script revision: r20
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Build script revision: r20
>> >>>> >> >> >> > CMake Settings: -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang
>> >>>> >> >> >> > -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=/usr/bin/clang++
>> >>>> >> >> >> > -DwxWidgets_CONFIG_EXECUTABLE=../wx-bin/bin/wx-config
>> >>>> >> >> >> > -DKICAD_SCRIPTING=OFF
>> >>>> >> >> >> > -DKICAD_SCRIPTING_MODULES=OFF
-DKICAD_SCRIPTING_WXPYTHON=OFF
>> >>>> >> >> >> > -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=../bin -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > QA/Testing:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > At the moment, I have set up another OS X machine
running a
>> >>>> >> >> >> > freshly
>> >>>> >> >> >> > installed 10.10.  I haven't installed anything else, and
I am
>> >>>> >> >> >> > testing
>> >>>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Kicad packages on there, and then once I have tested
them, I
>> >>>> >> >> >> > am
>> >>>> >> >> >> > reverting
>> >>>> >> >> >> > the system back to the state as it was "freshly
installed."
>> >>>> >> >> >> > This
>> >>>> >> >> >> > is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > not
>> >>>> >> >> >> > ideal at all, but every day these packages aren't
available
>> >>>> >> >> >> > is
>> >>>> >> >> >> > another
>> >>>> >> >> >> > day I
>> >>>> >> >> >> > spend 20 minutes replying to people asking me where Mac
>> >>>> >> >> >> > builds are
>> >>>> >> >> >> > :)
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > What's Left:
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > * Automated uploads to the website.  I poked Miguel about
>> >>>> >> >> >> > this
>> >>>> >> >> >> > recently,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > he says he'll try to get to it today.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > * The current Mac build appears to have some dependencies
>> >>>> >> >> >> > beyond
>> >>>> >> >> >> > what
>> >>>> >> >> >> > we
>> >>>> >> >> >> > include in the bundle.  For example, on a freshly
installed
>> >>>> >> >> >> > 10.10
>> >>>> >> >> >> > system
>> >>>> >> >> >> > with this bundle, I cannot open pcbnew.  I verified this
>> >>>> >> >> >> > myself.
>> >>>> >> >> >> > A
>> >>>> >> >> >> > tester
>> >>>> >> >> >> > reported to me that he was able to fix it by installing
brew,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > libpng,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > libpixman, and libfontconfig.  I have not verified that
fix
>> >>>> >> >> >> > yet.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > The error is: 06:53:16:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > dlopen(/Volumes/Contents/PlugIns/_pcbnew.kiface,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > 10): image not found
>> >>>> >> >> >> > 06:53:16: IO_ERROR: Fatal Installation Bug
>> >>>> >> >> >> > missing file:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > '/Volumes/Contents/PlugIns/_pcbnew.kiface'
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > argv[0]:
>> >>>> >> >> >> > '/Volumes/Kicad/Kicad/pcbnew.app/Contents/MacOS/pcbnew'
>> >>>> >> >> >> > from
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
/Users/jenkins/remoteroot/workspace/KiCadMacBuild/kicad/common/kiway.cpp
>> >>>> >> >> >> > :
>> >>>> >> >> >> > KiFACE() : line 219
>> >>>> >> >> >> > It appears that it is looking for
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Contents/PlugIns/_pcbnew.kiface
>> >>>> >> >> >> > at
>> >>>> >> >> >> > the
>> >>>> >> >> >> > wrong place, and I am not sure why installing those
libraries
>> >>>> >> >> >> > would
>> >>>> >> >> >> > fix
>> >>>> >> >> >> > that
>> >>>> >> >> >> > problem.  I am going to pull this out into its own email
so
>> >>>> >> >> >> > discussion
>> >>>> >> >> >> > of
>> >>>> >> >> >> > this doesn't get merged with other nightly build
questions.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > * Including libraries?  Not sure about this one.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > What has been done:
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > * We redid our build cluster in a way that we could let
in
>> >>>> >> >> >> > other
>> >>>> >> >> >> > people,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > not see the rest of the Wayne and Layne internal
projects.  I
>> >>>> >> >> >> > hope
>> >>>> >> >> >> > to
>> >>>> >> >> >> > get
>> >>>> >> >> >> > some more people in the packaging group, and this was a
>> >>>> >> >> >> > crucial
>> >>>> >> >> >> > first
>> >>>> >> >> >> > step.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > * We have an OS X machine for building, and an OS X
machine
>> >>>> >> >> >> > for
>> >>>> >> >> >> > testing,
>> >>>> >> >> >> > and
>> >>>> >> >> >> > can restore it to the "freshly installed" state very
easily.
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Adam Wolf
>> >>>> >> >> >> > Cofounder and Engineer
>> >>>> >> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
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