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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry for the ambiguity, but it was just using a normal mouse with a
scroll wheel.

On my trackpoint I can hit a middlebutton and then use the nipple to
scrool on both the x and y directions. It is sort of making a
direction vector. With this I can pan using your patch.  Or with shift
or ctrl in normal (product) mode I can also do that.

Ohh, I now see that it is panning (not zooming) in the 3D view, for
one scroll click it is changing dy with 6. So it is not zooming, but
panning in the y direction only. The dy dx readout is on the bottom
toolbar in the 3D view window.

2015-01-11 19:40 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi, Nick.  Thanks for the feedback. I’m know there are some differences with 3d panning & zooming that could potentially be an issue, but I’m a little confused, though.  When you say pinch, do you mean a trackpad?  Are we still talking about the ThinkPad laptop here?  If so this is very interesting.  Could someone educate me about any current support for trackpads in windows or Linux?  I was not aware of any.
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> Garth
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>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 5:40 AM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> I did note something strange with this branch. When I try to scroll
>> zoom in the 3D viewer regardles of setting it is like it is zooming
>> way too much. When I just zoom one pinch I can't see my board. But on
>> my normal branch it works fine.
>>
>> 2015-01-10 18:23 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> Thanks very much for trying this out, Nick.  To be honest, it’s been so long since I used a ThinkPad joy nub that I hadn’t considered this at all.  It’s good that it seemed just a switch in behavior of key modifiers because it really isn’t.  It changes the way panning is done altogether, doing the panning in the event handlers instead of firing cmd events.  I think my primary concern for non OS X users is that the panning acceleration would seem way out of line with expectations, something that's fixable but something I can’t test.
>>>
>>> Also, as I said previously, it changes some longstanding behavior with regard to modifier keys and panning direction, but I consider the old behavior wrong so I might have to convince folks.  I’m not sure what the timeline is for a stable release so I’m not sure whether to wait until after to try to get this in.  It really needs some Windows/Linux testing, but there’s not much incentive for it.
>>>
>>> Garth
>>>
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>>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just tried this on linux with a thinkpad nipple, seems to work just
>>>> fine. Without the option enabled I had to use shift to do panning. I
>>>> did not read the patch, but to me it seems like this was just a switch
>>>> in behaivour of using zooming for scroll or having to hit ctrl or
>>>> shift (depinding on what mode was set in settings). It does not seem
>>>> to break any behaviour I usually expect.
>>>>
>>>> 2014-11-05 9:18 GMT+01:00 Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> Thanks for trying this out, guys.  I’d also like to see this get into the mainline, but I think there are a few hurdles to get over first.  The pinch-to-zoom should be easy; It’s completely optional and has to be compiled in so there’s no impact to other platforms, but as I’ve said, it’s less useful by itself.  The issue for the rest is that it changes some longstanding behavior, and I’m pretty sure just the idea will annoy some folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve seen very little complaint about the large mousewheel panning steps on other platforms aside from a couple of ancient bugs.  I think I’d be hard pressed to convince anyone to change something that isn’t perceived as broken.  I’ve tried not to do anything egregious here, and I tested this with a couple of plain old mice, but I have no way to evaluate this on the other platforms. Does either of you have access to Windows or Linux boxes to try this on?
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, the large panning steps make little sense for a mousewheel, and even less so on a trackpad.  This is a big deal on a platform where every system in the past several years has sold with input devices with x/y scrolling and precise deltas (effectively trackpads).  Maybe not so much on other platforms, I don’t know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Garth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 3, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I also really like this patch.  Excellent work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam Wolf
>>>>>> Cofounder and Engineer
>>>>>> W&L
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> works perfect for me… with trackpad and also Magic/Mighty Mouse (without pinch-to-zoom for the mice of course).
>>>>>> Tested with the pinch-to-zoom wxWidgets patch on 3.0.2, KiCad changes merged into 5249.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would really love to see this getting merged to main line.
>>>>>> It not only makes panning more OSX like, but also is a great usability improvement (at least on OSX where nowadays all mice/trackpads do have x/y scrolling capability).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Bernhard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31.10.2014, at 18:45, Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve pushed a branch containing some changes that I use to make kicad more livable for me on OS X.  This is mostly for Apple Magic Trackpad users, but I’d be curious to hear from mousewheel users on OS X, or even Linux and Windows users if they were inclined to try out these changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The changes are basically in two parts.  The first is optional and requires an additional patch to wxWidgets on OS X, and that kicad be compiled with a feature macro turned on (updated instructions in compiling/mac-osx.txt).  This enables pinch-to-zoom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rest does not require any changes in the way things are built.  This adds a preference for the default mousewheel function and changes the way panning is done; It does not change the way mousewheel zooming behaves (but perhaps should).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For best results on a trackpad I recommend compiling with the pinch-to-zoom support and checking “Use mousewheel to pan” in the preferences of the various apps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you’re a Mac trackpad user and have a spare few moments, please give these changes a try and let me know how they work for you.  They’re in lp:~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Garth
>>>>>>>
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