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[Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Nick, that makes sense.  If we downloaded a new fp-lib-table.for-pretty
from github, that will break unless the user simultaneously updates their
pretties from github--which is definitely beyond the scope of this.

Adam Wolf

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I guess that only the fp-lib-table.for-github should be fetched from
> the internet. The others should be fetched locally, because they are
> installed locally. As I see it.
>
> 2015-01-22 22:33 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > That sounds like a good idea to me, but I think it should fall back to
> > looking in that directory if Github is not available.
> >
> > I think the UI and most of the code would be the same, so I will start
> work
> > tonight...
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > On Jan 22, 2015 4:29 PM, "Carl Poirier" <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Couldn't you pull the preconfigured fp-lib-tables from Github instead
> of a
> >> local directory? This way, it will be easy for the user to get the
> latest
> >> and greatest footprints!
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Adam Wolf <
> adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Great, thanks!
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 22, 2015 4:20 PM, "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> As of right now, the preloaded fp-lib-table files are installed in
> >>>> ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/kicad/template on Linux and Windows.  On
> >>>> OSX they appear to be installed in
> >>>> ${OSX_BUNDLE_INSTALL_DIR}/${OSX_BUNDLE_SUP_DIR}/template where ever
> that
> >>>> works out to be.  The fp-lib-table files themselves are part of the
> >>>> kicad-library source so hopefully the install path is the same for
> them
> >>>> on OSX as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/22/2015 4:10 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> >>>> > This is going to be slick, Wayne.  Is there any particular place
> that
> >>>> > seems decent to put the preconfigured fp-table-libs?  In my mind,
> >>>> > they're almost templates...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Adam Wolf
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <
> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     On 1/22/2015 3:56 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> >>>> >     > Do you mean <PREFSDIR>/fp-table-lib? (i.e., on
> >>>> >     > Linux ~/.config/kicad/fp-lib-table?)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     Yes.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     >
> >>>> >     > I really like this idea.  The wizard already does a good job
> >>>> > explaining
> >>>> >     > what each type of fp-lib-table entry is.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     Then it should be possible to add the code to copy a
> >>>> > pre-configured
> >>>> >     fp-lib-table file to the proper path.  The only tricky part
> would
> >>>> > be
> >>>> >     setting up any environment variables.  I have a patch that sets
> >>>> > default
> >>>> >     environment variables for KIGITHUB and KISYS3DMOD on start up.
> I
> >>>> >     haven't designed the dialog to edit them yet.  It needs tested
> on
> >>>> > OSX so
> >>>> >     I will post it some time tomorrow to get some feed back.  The
> >>>> >     environment variables are saved in the kicad_common config file
> so
> >>>> > you
> >>>> >     could simple add new config entry for something like KISYSMOD
> from
> >>>> > the
> >>>> >     fp-lib-table wizard for footprint libraries stored on the system
> >>>> > once I
> >>>> >     commit the code.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     >
> >>>> >     > Adam Wolf
> >>>> >     >
> >>>> >     > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Wayne Stambaugh
> >>>> > <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >     > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >     >
> >>>> >     >     Maybe you could add an "Initialize Global Table" mode to
> the
> >>>> >     >     fp-lib-table wizard where a predefined table file is
> copied
> >>>> > to ~/.  You
> >>>> >     >     could test for ~/fp-lib-table and enter this mode
> >>>> > automatically or enter
> >>>> >     >     the "Edit Table" mode when ~/fp-lib-table is already
> >>>> > defined.  This
> >>>> >     >     would also prevent further cluttering of the library table
> >>>> > editor.
> >>>> >     >
> >>>> >     >     On 1/22/2015 10:53 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> >>>> >     >     > The new fp-lib-table wizard is great for adding new
> >>>> > entries to the
> >>>> >     >     > current table, but does not appear to have a "load
> >>>> > defaults" type option.
> >>>> >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     > However, this is based on using it, not reading the
> code,
> >>>> > so it is
> >>>> >     >     > possible the feature is included somewhere I did not
> see.
> >>>> >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     > Adam Wolf
> >>>> >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Nick Østergaard
> >>>> > <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >     <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>> >     >     > <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >     <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     How does this compare to the new fp lib table
> wizard?
> >>>> >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     2015-01-22 6:09 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
> >>>> > <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
> adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>> >     >     >     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> >     >     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> >     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>:
> >>>> >     >     >     > Hi folks!
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > I have a question about adding another feature to
> >>>> > the
> >>>> >     >     >     fp-lib-tables manager,
> >>>> >     >     >     > which is already pretty crowded and I want to get
> >>>> > buy-in
> >>>> >     >     before even
> >>>> >     >     >     > attempting a patch.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > Background:
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > Running into another issue with the KiCad Mac
> >>>> > experience.
> >>>> >     >     Just to
> >>>> >     >     >     recap, I'm
> >>>> >     >     >     > trying for 2 DMGs.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > One is called "KiCad Extras" and currently
> includes
> >>>> >     the modules
> >>>> >     >     >     from github,
> >>>> >     >     >     > and the fp-table-lib.for-pretty renamed just
> >>>> >     fp-table-lib.  The
> >>>> >     >     >     idea is that
> >>>> >     >     >     > users can download the extras DMG, and no longer
> >>>> > need
> >>>> >     to be
> >>>> >     >     online for
> >>>> >     >     >     > Kicad.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > The modules directory is fine, we provide a "drop
> >>>> > target"
> >>>> >     >     (just a
> >>>> >     >     >     symlink)
> >>>> >     >     >     > of /Library/Application Support/kicad/.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > However, the fp-table-lib is tricky.  The per-user
> >>>> >     "global"
> >>>> >     >     (across
> >>>> >     >     >     > projects" fp-table-lib is located in
> >>>> >     >     ~/Library/Preferences/kicad/
> >>>> >     >     >     We cannot
> >>>> >     >     >     > make a "drop target" in a DMG that points to ~/.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > Making a "package" works around this, but users
> >>>> > don't like
> >>>> >     >     >     packages unless
> >>>> >     >     >     > they're part of App Store (because they usually
> >>>> > don't
> >>>> >     >     realize they're
> >>>> >     >     >     > packages :)).  I don't want to do that.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > Question:  Would a way to "load default
> >>>> > fp-lib-tables"
> >>>> >     be useful
> >>>> >     >     >     to other
> >>>> >     >     >     > people in the library table manager?  This would
> >>>> > take
> >>>> >     a look
> >>>> >     >     at what
> >>>> >     >     >     > fp-lib-tables.* are available in a location, and
> >>>> > give
> >>>> >     users the
> >>>> >     >     >     ability to
> >>>> >     >     >     > replace their fp-lib-tables with known
> >>>> > defaults--i.e.
> >>>> >     I want to
> >>>> >     >     >     use github,
> >>>> >     >     >     > I want to use eagle, I want to use on-disk
> pretties
> >>>> >     >     downloaded from
> >>>> >     >     >     > github...
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > The more I think about this, I think that it might
> >>>> > not
> >>>> >     only help
> >>>> >     >     >     the Mac
> >>>> >     >     >     > install experience, but actually help the new user
> >>>> >     >     experience on all
> >>>> >     >     >     > platforms.
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > Thoughts?  (and greetings from Montreal, where I
> am
> >>>> > on
> >>>> >     business
> >>>> >     >     >     and also
> >>>> >     >     >     > working on Kicad Mac nightlies while stuffed with
> >>>> > curry
> >>>> >     >     poutine...)
> >>>> >     >     >     >
> >>>> >     >     >     > Adam Wolf
> >>>> >     >     >     > Cofounder and Engineer
> >>>> >     >     >     > W&L
> >>>> >     >     >     >
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