I'm not sure, Bob. I was trying to make this thread be about a UI
change to the library manager window. However, I'm a little too tired
to be a stickler about it, and I have buy-in from Wayne and no screams
of bloody murder from anyone else, so...
If you want to build your own stuff on OS X, and you need to change
the environment variables, I suggest you change them Info.plist inside
the bundle. Then you can double-click on the icon and it works fine,
as well as using "open blah.app" from the terminal. There are details
on this in the archives from the last six months, I think between me
and Bernhard. If you can't find them, let me know on-list and I can
dig them up.
Wayne is working on a more user-friendly setup shortly, so maybe you
can just let time pass and the problem will solve itself--or...
Please let me reiterate:
There is nothing magical about KISYSMOD.
There is nothing wrong with editing your fp-lib-table so that there
are no environment variables in them whatsoever. If you are being
stymied by environment variables in Kicad... you can just ignore
them! Put full paths in your fp-lib-table and ignore everyone on the
list talking about environment variables.
If I had a time machine, the first thing I would do is go to the REM
Green Tour. The second thing I would do is go to when the devs were
discussing the environment variables for fp-lib-table, and show them
evidence of how confusing this is to users without getting busted by
the Time Police.
I don't fault the devs for fixing the bug this way. The devs had
recently been bitten by a truly nasty search path issue, and were
trying to figure a good way out of it.
Personally, I think Wayne's path manager is the next step in making
fp-lib-table that shines as much from the user and packager side as it
does from the developer side.
I only truly got what fp-lib-table and the environment variables were
doing sometime in the last six months, and I know users who love Kicad
who keep a version around from before fp-lib-table just because they
find it too confusing.
Adam Wolf
Cofounder and Engineer
Wayne and Layne, LLC
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Bob Gustafson <bobgus@xxxxxxx
<mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Adam
I'm looking at the fp-lib-tables and their placement. Environment
variables are giving me problems.
What title would you suggest for a new thread?
Bob G
On 01/22/2015 06:02 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
Hi Bob,
I'm not sure this is the right thread for your question. Maybe
start a new one?
Adam Wolf
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Bob Gustafson <bobgus@xxxxxxx
<mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
On 01/22/2015 03:37 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
On 1/22/2015 4:35 PM, Bob Gustafson wrote:
If I don't do anything, KiCad wants the definition of
KISYSMOD as an
environment variable.
This is only true if you keep a copy of the footprint
libraries on your
system and you don't use the GitHub plugin to access them
from
https://github.com/KiCad. Otherwise ${KISYSMOD} is
replaced with
${KIGITHUB}. Either way, you need the correct
environment variable set.
Otherwise, no libraries.
Yep
What I do is: (in a Terminal window)
export KISYSMOD='~/kicad_sources/library-repos'
To run kicad - using the same Terminal window (to pick up the
KISYSMOD def)
~/KiCad/bin/kicad.app/Contents/MacOS/kicad
It runs, but when I try to pick up some components - it wants
.mod files - the repo directory only has .pretty
Later - I have to go now.
Bob G
The window PCB LIBRARY TABLES shows ${KISYSMOD}/ in
front of every
component.
The panel below on the PCB LIBRARY TABLES window
shows KISYSMOD as an
undefined environment variable.
Kicad has trouble if KISYSMOD is not defined prior to
running kicad
Bob G
On 01/22/2015 03:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
As of right now, the preloaded fp-lib-table files
are installed in
${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/kicad/template on
Linux and Windows. On
OSX they appear to be installed in
${OSX_BUNDLE_INSTALL_DIR}/${OSX_BUNDLE_SUP_DIR}/template
where ever that
works out to be. The fp-lib-table files
themselves are part of the
kicad-library source so hopefully the install
path is the same for them
on OSX as well.
On 1/22/2015 4:10 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
This is going to be slick, Wayne. Is there
any particular place that
seems decent to put the preconfigured
fp-table-libs? In my mind,
they're almost templates...
Adam Wolf
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Wayne
Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
On 1/22/2015 3:56 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> Do you mean <PREFSDIR>/fp-table-lib?
(i.e., on
> Linux ~/.config/kicad/fp-lib-table?)
Yes.
>
> I really like this idea. The wizard
already does a good job
explaining
> what each type of fp-lib-table entry is.
Then it should be possible to add the
code to copy a pre-configured
fp-lib-table file to the proper path.
The only tricky part
would be
setting up any environment variables.
I have a patch that sets
default
environment variables for KIGITHUB and
KISYS3DMOD on start up. I
haven't designed the dialog to edit
them yet. It needs tested
on OSX so
I will post it some time tomorrow to
get some feed back. The
environment variables are saved in the
kicad_common config file
so you
could simple add new config entry for
something like KISYSMOD
from the
fp-lib-table wizard for footprint
libraries stored on the system
once I
commit the code.
>
> Adam Wolf
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:33 PM,
Wayne Stambaugh
<stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
wrote:
>
> Maybe you could add an
"Initialize Global Table" mode to the
> fp-lib-table wizard where a
predefined table file is
copied to ~/. You
> could test for ~/fp-lib-table and
enter this mode
automatically or enter
> the "Edit Table" mode when
~/fp-lib-table is already
defined. This
> would also prevent further
cluttering of the library table
editor.
>
> On 1/22/2015 10:53 AM, Adam Wolf
wrote:
> > The new fp-lib-table wizard is
great for adding new
entries to the
> > current table, but does not
appear to have a "load
defaults" type option.
> >
> > However, this is based on using
it, not reading the
code, so it is
> > possible the feature is
included somewhere I did not see.
> >
> > Adam Wolf
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:27
AM, Nick Østergaard
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> >
> > How does this compare to
the new fp lib table wizard?
> >
> > 2015-01-22 6:09 GMT+01:00
Adam Wolf
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> > > Hi folks!
> > >
> > > I have a question about
adding another feature to the
> > fp-lib-tables manager,
> > > which is already pretty
crowded and I want to get
buy-in
> before even
> > > attempting a patch.
> > >
> > > Background:
> > >
> > > Running into another
issue with the KiCad Mac
experience.
> Just to
> > recap, I'm
> > > trying for 2 DMGs.
> > >
> > > One is called "KiCad
Extras" and currently includes
the modules
> > from github,
> > > and the
fp-table-lib.for-pretty renamed just
fp-table-lib. The
> > idea is that
> > > users can download the
extras DMG, and no longer need
to be
> online for
> > > Kicad.
> > >
> > > The modules directory is
fine, we provide a "drop
target"
> (just a
> > symlink)
> > > of /Library/Application
Support/kicad/.
> > >
> > > However, the fp-table-lib
is tricky. The per-user
"global"
> (across
> > > projects" fp-table-lib is
located in
> ~/Library/Preferences/kicad/
> > We cannot
> > > make a "drop target" in a
DMG that points to ~/.
> > >
> > > Making a "package" works
around this, but users
don't like
> > packages unless
> > > they're part of App Store
(because they usually don't
> realize they're
> > > packages :)). I don't
want to do that.
> > >
> > > Question: Would a way to
"load default
fp-lib-tables"
be useful
> > to other
> > > people in the library
table manager? This would take
a look
> at what
> > > fp-lib-tables.* are
available in a location, and give
users the
> > ability to
> > > replace their
fp-lib-tables with known defaults--i.e.
I want to
> > use github,
> > > I want to use eagle, I
want to use on-disk pretties
> downloaded from
> > > github...
> > >
> > > The more I think about
this, I think that it might
not
only help
> > the Mac
> > > install experience, but
actually help the new user
> experience on all
> > > platforms.
> > >
> > > Thoughts? (and greetings
from Montreal, where I
am on
business
> > and also
> > > working on Kicad Mac
nightlies while stuffed with
curry
> poutine...)
> > >
> > > Adam Wolf
> > > Cofounder and Engineer
> > > W&L
> > >
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