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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
Bob,
My only objection was that your questions seemed a bit of a derail, that's
all, not the content of your posts.
Adam Wolf
On Jan 23, 2015 10:31 AM, "Bob Gustafson" <bobgus@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> My motivation on this list is to help with the testing - particularly OSX.
> My hope is to be working with a solid OSX version of KiCad with all the
> bells and whistles - one that comes out of the public repository - and that
> I can get working without an intimate knowledge of Mac development. When
> this goal is achieved, I'm sure there will be many Mac users who will
> become board designers. The world of IoT needs help and KiCad can
> contribute a lot.
>
> I can test what lands in the public code repository and report back to
> this list what I have found and what work-arounds I have managed to
> discover. I have tried to do this.
>
> I looked ahead in this mailing list and appreciate the comments and help
> contributed today by Wayne and Bernard (line 285, plists, enviro patch -
> good stuff - I will try them out today)
>
> ----
>
> I have a few Linux systems (Fedora 21 - broken wxPython3.0.2 - Fed22 will
> have an update in May) which are more powerful than my little Mac Air, but
> my Mac goes along on my travels. (Sorry, no Windows machines)
>
> ----
>
> As an additional hope - my suggestion awhile ago to be able to put KiCad
> on a flash drive - was to encourage that files be kept 'close together' and
> not scattered all over the disk. My wife has a Mac mini with a huge screen.
> With a flash drive implementation, I could quickly move to her system when
> she is not around :-)
>
> Thanks much for your patience and fun response to my occasional comment.
> Please don't feel that I am criticizing any of your efforts. I'm just
> trying to test ahead of the documentation. This list is invaluable for that.
>
> Best regards
>
> Bob G
>
> On 01/22/2015 10:10 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>
> I'm not sure, Bob. I was trying to make this thread be about a UI change
> to the library manager window. However, I'm a little too tired to be a
> stickler about it, and I have buy-in from Wayne and no screams of bloody
> murder from anyone else, so...
>
> If you want to build your own stuff on OS X, and you need to change the
> environment variables, I suggest you change them Info.plist inside the
> bundle. Then you can double-click on the icon and it works fine, as well
> as using "open blah.app" from the terminal. There are details on this in
> the archives from the last six months, I think between me and Bernhard. If
> you can't find them, let me know on-list and I can dig them up.
>
> Wayne is working on a more user-friendly setup shortly, so maybe you can
> just let time pass and the problem will solve itself--or...
>
> Please let me reiterate:
>
> There is nothing magical about KISYSMOD.
>
> There is nothing wrong with editing your fp-lib-table so that there are
> no environment variables in them whatsoever. If you are being stymied by
> environment variables in Kicad... you can just ignore them! Put full paths
> in your fp-lib-table and ignore everyone on the list talking about
> environment variables.
>
> If I had a time machine, the first thing I would do is go to the REM Green
> Tour. The second thing I would do is go to when the devs were discussing
> the environment variables for fp-lib-table, and show them evidence of how
> confusing this is to users without getting busted by the Time Police.
>
> I don't fault the devs for fixing the bug this way. The devs had
> recently been bitten by a truly nasty search path issue, and were trying to
> figure a good way out of it.
>
> Personally, I think Wayne's path manager is the next step in making
> fp-lib-table that shines as much from the user and packager side as it does
> from the developer side.
>
> I only truly got what fp-lib-table and the environment variables were
> doing sometime in the last six months, and I know users who love Kicad who
> keep a version around from before fp-lib-table just because they find it
> too confusing.
>
> Adam Wolf
> Cofounder and Engineer
> Wayne and Layne, LLC
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Bob Gustafson <bobgus@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam
>>
>> I'm looking at the fp-lib-tables and their placement. Environment
>> variables are giving me problems.
>>
>> What title would you suggest for a new thread?
>>
>> Bob G
>>
>>
>> On 01/22/2015 06:02 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> I'm not sure this is the right thread for your question. Maybe start a
>> new one?
>>
>> Adam Wolf
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Bob Gustafson <bobgus@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 01/22/2015 03:37 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2015 4:35 PM, Bob Gustafson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I don't do anything, KiCad wants the definition of KISYSMOD as an
>>>>> environment variable.
>>>>>
>>>> This is only true if you keep a copy of the footprint libraries on your
>>>> system and you don't use the GitHub plugin to access them from
>>>> https://github.com/KiCad. Otherwise ${KISYSMOD} is replaced with
>>>> ${KIGITHUB}. Either way, you need the correct environment variable set.
>>>> Otherwise, no libraries.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep
>>>
>>> What I do is: (in a Terminal window)
>>>
>>> export KISYSMOD='~/kicad_sources/library-repos'
>>>
>>> To run kicad - using the same Terminal window (to pick up the KISYSMOD
>>> def)
>>>
>>> ~/KiCad/bin/kicad.app/Contents/MacOS/kicad
>>>
>>> It runs, but when I try to pick up some components - it wants .mod files
>>> - the repo directory only has .pretty
>>>
>>> Later - I have to go now.
>>>
>>> Bob G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The window PCB LIBRARY TABLES shows ${KISYSMOD}/ in front of every
>>>>> component.
>>>>>
>>>>> The panel below on the PCB LIBRARY TABLES window shows KISYSMOD as an
>>>>> undefined environment variable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kicad has trouble if KISYSMOD is not defined prior to running kicad
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob G
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/22/2015 03:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As of right now, the preloaded fp-lib-table files are installed in
>>>>>> ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/kicad/template on Linux and Windows. On
>>>>>> OSX they appear to be installed in
>>>>>> ${OSX_BUNDLE_INSTALL_DIR}/${OSX_BUNDLE_SUP_DIR}/template where ever
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> works out to be. The fp-lib-table files themselves are part of the
>>>>>> kicad-library source so hopefully the install path is the same for
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> on OSX as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/22/2015 4:10 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is going to be slick, Wayne. Is there any particular place that
>>>>>>> seems decent to put the preconfigured fp-table-libs? In my mind,
>>>>>>> they're almost templates...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Wolf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <
>>>>>>> stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/22/2015 3:56 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>>>>>> > Do you mean <PREFSDIR>/fp-table-lib? (i.e., on
>>>>>>> > Linux ~/.config/kicad/fp-lib-table?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I really like this idea. The wizard already does a good job
>>>>>>> explaining
>>>>>>> > what each type of fp-lib-table entry is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then it should be possible to add the code to copy a
>>>>>>> pre-configured
>>>>>>> fp-lib-table file to the proper path. The only tricky part
>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>> setting up any environment variables. I have a patch that sets
>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>> environment variables for KIGITHUB and KISYS3DMOD on start
>>>>>>> up. I
>>>>>>> haven't designed the dialog to edit them yet. It needs tested
>>>>>>> on OSX so
>>>>>>> I will post it some time tomorrow to get some feed back. The
>>>>>>> environment variables are saved in the kicad_common config file
>>>>>>> so you
>>>>>>> could simple add new config entry for something like KISYSMOD
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> fp-lib-table wizard for footprint libraries stored on the
>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>> once I
>>>>>>> commit the code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Adam Wolf
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Wayne Stambaugh
>>>>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Maybe you could add an "Initialize Global Table" mode to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > fp-lib-table wizard where a predefined table file is
>>>>>>> copied to ~/. You
>>>>>>> > could test for ~/fp-lib-table and enter this mode
>>>>>>> automatically or enter
>>>>>>> > the "Edit Table" mode when ~/fp-lib-table is already
>>>>>>> defined. This
>>>>>>> > would also prevent further cluttering of the library
>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>> editor.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 1/22/2015 10:53 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>>>>>> > > The new fp-lib-table wizard is great for adding new
>>>>>>> entries to the
>>>>>>> > > current table, but does not appear to have a "load
>>>>>>> defaults" type option.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > However, this is based on using it, not reading the
>>>>>>> code, so it is
>>>>>>> > > possible the feature is included somewhere I did not
>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Adam Wolf
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Nick Østergaard
>>>>>>> <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > How does this compare to the new fp lib table
>>>>>>> wizard?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > 2015-01-22 6:09 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
>>>>>>> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > > <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>:
>>>>>>> > > > Hi folks!
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > I have a question about adding another feature
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> > > fp-lib-tables manager,
>>>>>>> > > > which is already pretty crowded and I want to get
>>>>>>> buy-in
>>>>>>> > before even
>>>>>>> > > > attempting a patch.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Background:
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Running into another issue with the KiCad Mac
>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>> > Just to
>>>>>>> > > recap, I'm
>>>>>>> > > > trying for 2 DMGs.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > One is called "KiCad Extras" and currently
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> the modules
>>>>>>> > > from github,
>>>>>>> > > > and the fp-table-lib.for-pretty renamed just
>>>>>>> fp-table-lib. The
>>>>>>> > > idea is that
>>>>>>> > > > users can download the extras DMG, and no longer
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> > online for
>>>>>>> > > > Kicad.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > The modules directory is fine, we provide a "drop
>>>>>>> target"
>>>>>>> > (just a
>>>>>>> > > symlink)
>>>>>>> > > > of /Library/Application Support/kicad/.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > However, the fp-table-lib is tricky. The
>>>>>>> per-user
>>>>>>> "global"
>>>>>>> > (across
>>>>>>> > > > projects" fp-table-lib is located in
>>>>>>> > ~/Library/Preferences/kicad/
>>>>>>> > > We cannot
>>>>>>> > > > make a "drop target" in a DMG that points to ~/.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Making a "package" works around this, but users
>>>>>>> don't like
>>>>>>> > > packages unless
>>>>>>> > > > they're part of App Store (because they usually
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> > realize they're
>>>>>>> > > > packages :)). I don't want to do that.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Question: Would a way to "load default
>>>>>>> fp-lib-tables"
>>>>>>> be useful
>>>>>>> > > to other
>>>>>>> > > > people in the library table manager? This would
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> a look
>>>>>>> > at what
>>>>>>> > > > fp-lib-tables.* are available in a location, and
>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>> users the
>>>>>>> > > ability to
>>>>>>> > > > replace their fp-lib-tables with known
>>>>>>> defaults--i.e.
>>>>>>> I want to
>>>>>>> > > use github,
>>>>>>> > > > I want to use eagle, I want to use on-disk
>>>>>>> pretties
>>>>>>> > downloaded from
>>>>>>> > > > github...
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > The more I think about this, I think that it
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> only help
>>>>>>> > > the Mac
>>>>>>> > > > install experience, but actually help the new
>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>> > experience on all
>>>>>>> > > > platforms.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Thoughts? (and greetings from Montreal, where I
>>>>>>> am on
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>> > > and also
>>>>>>> > > > working on Kicad Mac nightlies while stuffed with
>>>>>>> curry
>>>>>>> > poutine...)
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Adam Wolf
>>>>>>> > > > Cofounder and Engineer
>>>>>>> > > > W&L
>>>>>>> > > >
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References
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fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Adam Wolf, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Nick Østergaard, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Adam Wolf, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Adam Wolf, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Adam Wolf, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Bob Gustafson, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Wayne Stambaugh, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Bob Gustafson, 2015-01-22
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Adam Wolf, 2015-01-23
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Bob Gustafson, 2015-01-23
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Adam Wolf, 2015-01-23
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Re: fp-lib-tables UI question
From: Bob Gustafson, 2015-01-23
