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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

If it doesn't make it in this stable release, we can definitely merge it
during the next development cycle.

On 3/3/2015 4:54 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
> I am not sure how much work it is to put it in pl_editor and 3d viewer. 
> I am actually not familiar with the code.
> 
> It is very possible we cannot get this in in time for the stable
> release.  If so, let's get it in the next one!
> 
> Adam Wolf
> 
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Hey Adam,
> 
>     I just ran out of time this weekend.  Hopefully I can find some time
>     this weekend to test it.  If we do decide to merge it, I would prefer
>     that it be enabled in the PL editor and the 3D viewer.  I think users
>     would find it confusing if the behavior was different between the
>     rendering windows.  Does it work in GerbView?
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>     Wayne
> 
>     On 3/3/2015 4:13 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>     > Hi Wayne,
>     >
>     > Did you have any luck testing Garth's trackpad branch?  Is the fact that
>     > it isn't enabled for pl_editor and 3D Viewer a dealbreaker?
>     >
>     > Is there something we can do to help this along?
>     >
>     > Thanks!
>     >
>     > Adam Wolf
>     > Cofounder and Engineer
>     > W&L
>     >
>     > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>
>     > <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Okay, so yes, this code hasn’t been touched in a while but
>     I’ve been
>     >     merging lp:kicad about once a week.  Here’s where I think
>     things are.
>     >
>     >     The pinch to zoom stuff, while optional, is both really useful for
>     >     OS X trackpad users and probably the easiest to get in.  I
>     committed
>     >     this separately from everything else so it would be easy to make a
>     >     patch just for that.  It is 100% conditionally compiled and
>     >     currently guarded by -DUSE_OSX_MAGNIFY_EVENT.  It does require a
>     >     patch to wxWidgets but, as Bernhard pointed out, that patch (or a
>     >     version of it) recently landed on trunk there.  So hopefully
>     when it
>     >     finally does make it into a release it will be straightforward to
>     >     use in Kicad.  This is my preferred way to zoom in Kicad with a
>     >     Magic Trackpad as it is much smoother than the default.
>     >
>     >     The rest of is it is a bit more muddled.  As I mentioned in a
>     recent
>     >     posting, the basic differences are fairly small, and described
>     here:
>     >
>     >   
>      http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures/revision/5244
>     >
>     >
>     >     The salient points from that are:
>     >
>     >       With the preference unchecked, this is now:
>     >       - Unmodified scrollwheel performed zoom in/out
>     >       - Shift modified scrollwheel performed pan left/right
>     >       - Cmd modified scrollwheel performed pan up/down
>     >       - Shift+Cmd modified scrollwheel performed zoom in/out
>     >         with no cursor warp
>     >
>     >       It should be noted that for the last case, the behavior has
>     changed.
>     >       This is not arbitrary.  This now matches expected behavior
>     for an OS X
>     >       application.  This also matches what wxWidgets expects on
>     this platform
>     >       as wxWidgets changes the axis of mousewheel events to
>     horizontal when
>     >       the event is shift-modified.
>     >   
>      <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures/revision/5244>
>     >
>     >     This means that if you have this in but choose not to use it, the
>     >     default behavior changes as described, for all platforms.  Nick
>     >     seems to think it’s not a big deal, and I tend to agree, but folks
>     >     can get a tad upset about UI changes, no matter how small, and
>     >     rightly so.
>     >
>     >     The final thing, an probably the main impediment to committing this
>     >     is the last part:
>     >
>     >     The preference is added everwhere that mouse preferences previously
>     >       existed, i.e., eeschema, pcbnew and gerbview.  The 3D Viewer does
>     >       not yet honor this preference, but behaves as if it was checked.
>     >       The pl_editor does not currently have any preferences to honor.
>     >   
>      <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures/revision/5244>
>     >
>     >   
>      <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures/revision/5244>
>     >     B
>     >   
>      <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures/revision/5244>asically
>     >     it does not work in pl_editor and it won’t until I or someone give
>     >     that application a place to hang the mouse preferences. Not sure if
>     >     it’s worth doing anything with pl_editor at this piont as I haven’t
>     >     actually used it for anything.  If someone wanted to go in there and
>     >     give it a preference dialog and some preferences I s’pose that would
>     >     help.
>     >
>     >     The 3D viewer does have support, but it does not honor the
>     >     preference because there’s no support for them in the 3D canvas.
>     >     Probably not a huge deal to fix this but I simply haven’t been back
>     >     in there.  At the very least this should probably not behave as if
>     >     it has the preference checked.  I was going to try to give Bernhard
>     >     commit access to the branch in case he wanted to patch things up,
>     >     but quite honestly I was too dumb to figure out how.
>     >
>     >     Most important, as Wayne points out, there absolutely could be
>     >     hidden Windows or Linux issues lurking in there.  I simply didn’t
>     >     have a way to test.
>     >
>     >
>     >     Garth
>     >
>     >
>     >>     On Feb 24, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>     <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>     Sorry for being so silent, folks.  I'll try to send a summary
>     >>     later tonight with my take on these changes and the impediments to
>     >>     getting them in.
>     >>
>     >>     Garth
>     >>
>     >>>     On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >>>     <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>     True, but it is quite some time ago, although not a first
>     >>>     announcement. I have not seen if any new changes has been made after
>     >>>     that. Also the patch adds an alternative pan/zoom mode, and still has
>     >>>     the old style (almost unaffected). In the old mode, I think he
>     >>>     swapped
>     >>>     the actions of the ctrl+scroll and shift+scroll buttons. That is all
>     >>>     as I understand it for the old mode.
>     >>>
>     >>>     The new mode addes better trimming for those wierdass-magic input
>     >>>     devices and thereby gives an option for people who like default
>     >>>     horizontal and verticall scroll is panning.
>     >>>
>     >>>     2015-02-24 20:13 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf
>     >>>     <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     >>>     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>:
>     >>>>     Hi Wayne,
>     >>>>
>     >>>>     The Waynelight worked! :)
>     >>>>
>     >>>>     I believe there is a minor change to scrolling behavior on all
>     >>>>     platforms.
>     >>>>     Garth has the details.  I am not sure if it's something we care
>     >>>>     about--I
>     >>>>     need to go back and re-read the details.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>     Nick has merged this into a linux build, and used it there, and
>     >>>>     didn't have
>     >>>>     any disastrous issues in what he did.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>     Adam Wolf
>     >>>>     Cofounder and Engineer
>     >>>>     W&L
>     >>>>
>     >>>>     On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier
>     >>>>     <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>     wrote:
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>     I normally just do a
>     >>>>>     bzr merge lp:~gcorral/kicad/osx-trackpad-gestures
>     >>>>>     into the current head I am building and that’s it…
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>     Regards
>     >>>>>     Bernhard
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>>     On 24 Feb 2015, at 19:56, Wayne Stambaugh
>     >>>>>>     <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>     As far as the wx patch goes, I don't have any issues with
>     >>>>>>     that.  We have
>     >>>>>>     other OSX specific wxWidgets patches so I don't see why one
>     >>>>>>     more would
>     >>>>>>     hurt.  However, the kicad patch must be thoroughly tested on
>     >>>>>>     Linux and
>     >>>>>>     Windows to make sure the default behavior is not changed for
>     >>>>>>     mouse wheel
>     >>>>>>     zooming and panning and any track pad behavior is not
>     broken.  Has
>     >>>>>>     anyone tested this?  Is there a patch that I can apply
>     against the
>     >>>>>>     latest product branch so I can do some testing and make sure
>     >>>>>>     the patch
>     >>>>>>     makes sense?
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>     On 2/24/2015 1:22 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>     >>>>>>>     Bernhard, that is a good point.  If Wayne et al are
>     reluctant
>     >>>>>>>     to patch
>     >>>>>>>     wx for pinch-to-zoom, we can pull in just the panning
>     changes.
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>     I have had Nick test on Linux--I seem to remember he said
>     >>>>>>>     there wasn't
>     >>>>>>>     an impact to him, but I am not sure if the changes are too
>     >>>>>>>     subtle to
>     >>>>>>>     notice.
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>     Basically, at this point I am shining the Waynelight up
>     into the
>     >>>>>>>     clouds.  Wayne--what do you need to make the call on
>     this?  A
>     >>>>>>>     branch to
>     >>>>>>>     make a build on your own tree?  A quick summary of how
>     it impacts
>     >>>>>>>     non-OS X?
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>     Adam Wolf
>     >>>>>>>     Cofounder and Engineer
>     >>>>>>>     W&L
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>     On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier
>     >>>>>>>     <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>     >>>>>>>     <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>     >>>>>>>     <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>      Hi,
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>      would be really great.
>     >>>>>>>      I use it since Garth provided his branch and merge it
>     >>>>>>>     regularly into
>     >>>>>>>      my builds.
>     >>>>>>>      Currently I only use the panning part, because you still have to
>     >>>>>>>      patch wxWidgets for the pinch-to-zoom.
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>      I didn’t see any showstopper on my MacBook (TouchPad) and my
>     >>>>>>>     desktop
>     >>>>>>>      (Mighty and Magic Mouse).
>     >>>>>>>      So, in my opinion question is only about non-OSX impacts.
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>      Wrt to pinch-to-zoom there seem to be changes in wxWidgets
>     >>>>>>>     trunk.
>     >>>>>>>      I don’t know if we would like to patch until it has completely
>     >>>>>>>      landed (wxWidgets needs to be patched anyway for OS X), or
>     >>>>>>>     just wait
>     >>>>>>>      with that until it has arrived in official versions.
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>      Regards,
>     >>>>>>>      Bernhard
>     >>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>      On 24 Feb 2015, at 18:25, Bob Gustafson <bobgus@xxxxxxx <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>
>     >>>>>>>>     <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>>
>     >>>>>>>>      <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>     >>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>      I locally merged Garth's code a week or so ago and had
>     >>>>>>>>      difficulties - don't know if it was his files, my
>     >>>>>>>>     dependencies, or
>     >>>>>>>>      something else. Attached is the log of my merge - it was
>     >>>>>>>>     against
>     >>>>>>>>      r5431 and shows the names of the merged files.
>     >>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>      One of my problems was that after I built KiCad,  after
>     >>>>>>>>     awhile it
>     >>>>>>>>      did not respond to clicks on the red go-way button
>     (top left of
>     >>>>>>>>      window). I had to Force Quit.
>     >>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>      FWIW
>     >>>>>>>>      Bob G
>     >>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>      On 02/24/2015 10:30 AM, Bob Gustafson wrote:
>     >>>>>>>>>      Super!!!
>     >>>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>      I can do testing as needed. I have magic mouse and
>     MacAir with
>     >>>>>>>>>      trackpad - running 10.10.2
>     >>>>>>>>>      Bob G
>     >>>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>>      On 02/24/2015 09:51 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Hi folks,
>     >>>>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Can we start a discussion on if it would be appropriate
>     >>>>>>>>>>     to get
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Garth's trackpad support in before the feature freeze?
>     >>>>>>>>>>     If it is
>     >>>>>>>>>>      possible, what needs to be done, and who can do it?
>     >>>>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>>      (Please, folks, this is not a thread for bug reports or
>     >>>>>>>>>>      debugging builds.  If we're going to have any chance to
>     >>>>>>>>>>     get this
>     >>>>>>>>>>      in, it'll be a focussed effort!)
>     >>>>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Thanks!
>     >>>>>>>>>>
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Adam Wolf
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Cofounder and Engineer
>     >>>>>>>>>>      Wayne and Layne, LLC
>     >>>>>>>>>>
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