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[Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>]

I don’t object to what you’re doing, just how it’s being done.  You don’t think this case is just a little bit special?  Last time things were pretty obviously broken with the change, in this case they’re not.  You’ve swapped out a symbol for something that’s basically the same except, oh, by the way, all your diodes are reversed.  Am I misunderstanding this change?  Is this not true?

Garth 

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Carl Poirier <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> KiCad's libraries were filled without any rules throughout time. All these changes are necessary to have something consistent. Kerusey Karyu warned people one month ago on the mailing list <https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg17476.html> that we were in the process of moving things around. No one complained. Now why when we take action people wake up all of a sudden?
> 
> The sooner we get things straight, the better it is. If we wait too much, it will be too late. Before issuing the stable release sounds like an appropriate moment to land the disruptive changes.
> 
> BTW, I'm about to eradicate the special.lib library, as planned for now over one month <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library/issues/153>, a great initiative taken by Kerusey.
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> Regards,
> 
> Carl
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> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
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> This plan to deprecate the old diode type seems… uh... poorly thought out.  Yanking these out from under everyone and every project in exiistence and then sending out a message that says, “hey, guess what I did?” doesn’t seem like the best way to handle this.  It is most certainly not the way to win converts to kicad.
> 
> 
> Garth
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>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Carl Poirier <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
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>> Thiadmer, your proposal would require to duplicate every .pretty repository for every stable release. And I believe the schematics won't change because of the cache.
>> 
>> Another solution would be to modify the github plugin to fetch a branch in particular instead of the master. Then, we could create one branch in each .pretty repository that would remain in the state at the time of the stable release.
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>> That, or we ship the stable release with local .pretty repositories as well.
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>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Thiadmer Riemersma <thiadmer.riemersma@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:thiadmer.riemersma@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> For the stable release, I would vote for backward compatibility: have "deprecated" libraries with the diodes as they are right now (footprints + symbols), plus "standards-compliant" libraries with the cathode at pin 1 and the anode at pin 2. It would not be good if old schematics change just because they are loaded in a new version of KiCad.
>> 
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>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Carl Poirier <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Maybe this could be implemented for the stable release.
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Bob Gustafson <bobgus@xxxxxxx <mailto:bobgus@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Sounds professional.
>> 
>> Bob G
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>> On 04/24/2015 12:24 PM, Adam Wolf wrote:
>>> For future things like this, what do people think of a webview that pops up on startup after checking a site for alerts?
>>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2015 12:14 PM, "Carl Poirier" <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> All installations need a local kicad-library, not just OS X. They are all in the same situation. The next OS X nightly will be good if you pull the latest kicad-libary for the build.
>>> 
>>> Kerusey Karyu will announce the change on the users group on Yahoo to warn people. If anyone has an account and wants to forward my message before he does, feel free to do so.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> Hmm.
>>> 
>>> So the OSX builds use Github by default for footprints, and have symbols "baked in" at build time.
>>> 
>>> Every OS X nightly build is going to produce bad boards, and there's no way to tell users to update or inform them about this change through the program at all.
>>> 
>>> I really wish I would have known about this earlier.
>>> 
>>> Adam Wolf
>>> Cofounder and Engineer
>>> Wayne and Layne
>>> 
>>> On Apr 24, 2015 11:42 AM, "Carl Poirier" <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> This is simply to warn you that all diodes in KiCad's libraries have seen their pin numbers swapped. This is to be in line with most other software and the IPC standard as well, which states that cathode should be pin 1. This work is courtesy of the newest librarian, Ricardo Crudo.
>>> 
>>> If you are using Github libraries directly, the only thing you will have left to do is update your schematic libraries to the latest revision of https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library <https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-library> before continuing your work. If you have a local copy of the footprint repositories, then when you are ready you will be able to pull the changes for both the schematic libraries and the affected footprint libraries:
>>> 
>>> 1. Diodes_SMD.pretty <https://github.com/KiCad/Diodes_SMD.pretty>
>>> 2. Diodes_ThroughHole.pretty <https://github.com/KiCad/Diodes_ThroughHole.pretty>
>>> 3. LEDs.pretty <https://github.com/KiCad/LEDs.pretty>
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your understanding and sorry for the inconvenience.
>>> 
>>> Carl Poirier
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