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[Garth Corral <gcorral@xxxxxxxxx>]

While we’re on the topic.  There are other places where hotkeys are less than optimal on OS X.  For example, F11 and F12 are taken for OS functions and never reach kicad, so selecting the canvases has to be done through the menus.  Conversely, Cmd-C in kicad launches the calculator, so you can’t copy from the python console.  These are just a couple I’ve noticed recently, I’m sure there are many more such issues.

Garth


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Jean-Paul Louis <louijp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Pierre,
> 
> With OS X (Yosemite 10.10.4), Ctrl-F1 does not do anything while in any of Kicad apps.
> As Simon and Andy pointed out, the Mac OS X users are second class citizens, because
> most of the keys listed do not work as shown. Could we fix this before the stable release?
> 
> Best regards,
> Jean-Paul
> AC9GH
> 
> 
> See below what we get in Kicad Manager:
> 
> <PastedGraphic-1.png>
> 
> Only the “?” has the expected effect. So this popup should be updated for OS X users by replacing the “Ctrl” by “Cmd”.
> 
> in “eeschema”(Left) and Part Library Editor (Right), we get:
> <PastedGraphic-2.png><PastedGraphic-3.png>
> 
> in “pcbnew”, we get:
> 
> <PastedGraphic-4.png><PastedGraphic-5.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 3:33 AM, jp charras <jp.charras@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jp.charras@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> 
>> Le 01/07/2015 02:37, Simon Richter a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I've just tried to get context sensitive help using the F1 key, and
>>> found that instead it zoomed in.
>>> 
>>> The menu claims that the hotkey for zooming in is Alt-F1, while the
>>> hotkey list accessible with the '?' key lists F1 without qualifiers.
>>> 
>>> On Mac, Ctrl-'+' is used instead, which is fairly common in PC software
>>> as well these days (IE and Firefox, for example).
>>> 
>>> Would it make sense to offer Ctrl-'+' and Ctrl-'-' on all platforms?
>>> 
>>> Would it make sense to reserve F1 for context help?
>>> 
>>>   Simon
>> 
>> Why to change?
>> 
>> You can use Ctrl+F1 for help.
>> 
>> Zooming is more frequently used than help, therefore using one key to
>> zoom and 2 keys to call help is not bad. This is a basic optimization.
>> 
>> For zoom, Alt-F1 and F1 are *not* equivalent.
>> This is a remark which was made many times.
>> 
>> F1 centers the screen to the mouse cursor, Alt-F1 does not.
>> 
>> To be able to use the same key, you have to find a reliable way to know
>> if a command comes from an accelerator key (you can use the mouse cursor
>> position) or a menu activation (you cannot uses this position).
>> (I do not yet found this way)
>> 
>> There are many other commands like that.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
>> 
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