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[Jon Neal <reportingsjr@xxxxxxxxx>]

I really like the wording changes in the dialogs. They are much more
consistent and understandable in my opinion. I am definitely +1 on this.

However, I think this needs a bit more work as the mnemonics aren't working
on my system. (I have alerted Chris to this on IRC, just want to make sure
this doesn't get committed accidentally).

Other than the marked letters/mnemonics not working correctly everything
else seems to be correct.

Jon Neal



On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Here's a patch to fix the option dialog mnemonics.
>
> - Fix conflicting mnemonics in eeschema options
> - Add mnemonics to pcbnew, modedit, libedit options
>
> While I was doing it, I also cleaned up the padding/spacing in the
> dialogs (there were a few misaligned labels), and I removed an obsolete
> dialog DIALOG_LIBEDIT_DIMENSIONS (this appears to have been merged into
> DIALOG_LIBEDIT_OPTIONS a while ago and there is no remaining codepath
> that calls it).
>
> --
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:28:47PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> > On 8/3/2015 1:02 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The keyboard mnemonics (underlined letters) in the eeschema and libedit
> > > config boxes are a bit messy. There is at least one conflict (two items
> > > sharing L), and many items missing mnemonics.
> > >
> > > I could easily patch this, but I'd rather discuss: perhaps they should
> > > be removed? It is not usual to have mnemonics in large, complicated
> > > dialogs like this - they're not particularly useful there, and they are
> > > error-prone as the current state demonstrates. People forget to add
> > > them, or miss conflicts. Mnemonics are much more useful in dialogs that
> > > are used frequently like text edit dialogs, where a user might want,
> for
> > > example, to jump quickly to the "text size" field. With so many
> options,
> > > nobody is going to remember the mnemonics anyway (note what "mnemonic"
> > > means: it's a memory aid!), and it doesn't save any time when one has
> to
> > > squint at all the options to find the underlined letter.
> > >
> > > Of course the possibility for inconsistency goes even farther: I
> haven't
> > > even checked the localizations to see how they behave.
> > >
> > > Anybody else in favor of just removing them from these two dialogs? The
> > > pcbnew and modedit dialogs already do not use them, and most other GUI
> > > applications that I checked now also do not use them in their
> > > Preferences boxes.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> > While your logic make sense, my preference is to keep the mnemonics, fix
> > any duplicates, and add the missing ones in any offending dialogs.  I
> > realize on some complex dialogs, it can be difficult to set unique
> > mnemonics but that's pretty rare.  There are still a lot of us old
> > timers around who prefer our keyboards over reaching for the mouse
> > whenever possible.  I know it's passe and quaint but I'm not ready to
> > give it up just yet :)
> >
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