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Le 03/09/2015 23:01, Jean-Paul Louis a écrit :
Hi nnn, I do not understand your point about having values on the PCB. NOBODY in the industry put values on the PCB.
I disagree, I have a few examples of recent industrial boards with values on them. Last one I've seen is an inverter welder. I do electronic troubleshooting and getting such a board with values written down is really a pleasant thing when you don't have any documentation on the device, and when you can't get value from the part themselves because for some reason they've burned during the failure.
So for that reason I also put values on silkscreen on my own boards.I really can't see the point of moving values to another layer. There is a checkbox to plot or not the values on the silkscreen layer. Now that checkbox does nothing, and this is pretty confusing. Leave values on silkscreen layer and if you dont need them, just do not check the option, where is the problem ?
And if you need a Fab layer with the values... ok there is a problem you can't get it. Well then for that particular purpose, there should be a way in the plot window to output several layers in a single file like there is in the print window.
In fact, I think the three windows "plot", "print" and "export SVG" need some rework to combine them all in a single one, because each of them have features that can be needed in some ways to achieve a particular thing. Now the example is adding values on silkscreen even if they are on a different layer : you can't get it from the plot window, but you can do it with the export SVG or print one using the single file output checkbox, and selecting silk and fab layer. But on the other hand, from these windows you can't get a gerber file...
regards, yann
To facilitate the assembly, a lot of companies I worked for used a FAB drawing with one inch grid, and then generate a list of parts with the location on the grid. That’s more than enough to locate a part when troubleshooting. You can do the same easily. Just my $0.02, Jean-Paul AC9GHOn Sep 3, 2015, at 3:32 PM, nnn <nnn4000@xxxxx> wrote: I don't want remove refdes from silkscreen - just add a copy (text %R) scaled to footprints size - this layer really helps when you need to find component from schematic on a pcb (if you don't have computer with your design in a lab). W dniu 03.09.2015 o 21:25, Andy Peters pisze:On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:06 AM, nnn <nnn4000@xxxxx> wrote: Some time ago after short discussion on librarians mailing list it was decided to change default reference and value fields of footprints and move values to F.Fab layer. I think it was bad decision. I'm asking here to get more opinions.For the value fields, putting them on the Fab layer is fine. As Chris notes, pretty much nobody prints the values on the board but having them on an assembly or fab drawing helps the human who’s stuffing the board. I think having the reference designators on any non-silkscreen layer is a mistake. If the ref-des is on the F.Fab layer, your generated Gerbers won’t have them on the F.SilkS (or B.Silks) layer, but rather on the Fab layer — and the PCB fab guys will probably bounce your design back because they won’t know how to make a silkscreen out of stuff on the F.Fab layer, especially when a silkscreen layer already exists in the package! And to make matters worse, if you had older parts in your library or a design which had the ref-deses all on the F.SilkS layer, and you add new footprints which have the ref-des on the F.Fab layer, your Gerbers will be all confused, since some parts will show a ref-des on the silkscreen and some won’t. I think it’s a matter of expectations: EVERYONE expects the reference designators to be on a silkscreen layer. -a _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp_______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp_______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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