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Hello, Chris, Bernhard, ...!

On 2016-01-06 18:42, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> Well, replying just to Bernhard because for some reason the original
> mail didn't actually come through to my inbox... O_O

Seems like my mails get mangled through some [bulk] filters somewhere.
I only see my mails it in a quote when someone answers to it. :-(
(Will move to a different account soon, I guess.)

> Bernhard, he means the Reset button in the old-style standalone dialog, 
> which you can still see in pcbnew.
> 
> The "Reset" button used to be "Undo". I renamed it because it *really* 
> wasn't an "Undo" button, the original name was even worse relative to 
> its function.

I fully agree. :-)

> That mechanism is going away completely (eventually I want to go through 
> and redo all the preferences dialogs in all applications, not just 
> eeschema). I'm open to suggestions for better ways to do it. I'd like to 
> be able to "reset item to default", "reset all to defaults", and "undo" 
> (a *real* undo, not the old one that was really "reload dialog and drop 
> all changes")

Thanks... you are on the right track, then!

Maybe you can add additional columns into the dialogs showing their
defaults (because the user wants to know beforehand, what the
default key is) with a little button to assign the default value.
Close to what I see as perfect is the about:config setting page
in Mozilla Firefox. Maybe you can take that as an idea to
create a generic dialog for all kicad settings - not only 
for the hotkeys.


Another thing I really want to emphasize in the hotkey context:
I would appreciate it greatly if there is a 100% working
hotkey/replacement for the left (right is an option, then) mouse
button. (Spacebar is my preference here.)

The reason is that in complex electronic designs some people tend
to run into serious finger pain from mouse clicking.
I considered adding a second mouse to my PC with just the left
button wired up to a separate pushbutton. A bluetooth mouth-operated
thing could work as well... hence didn't find something yet which
is ready to use.

Thanks,

CKO

> On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 06:38:39PM +0100, Bernhard Stegmaier wrote:
>> Hmm… what “Reset” button is he talking about?
>> I don’t see anything like that.
>>
>> There is just the Import/Export button, only thing about that is that the alignment isn’t quite nice…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bernhard
>>
>>
>>> On 06.01.2016, at 17:34, cullinan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, Chris!
>>>
>>> I was just testing the hotkeys dialogs on BZR6427 on Arch Linux 64bit
>>> and hope to be able to give you some useful feedback:
>>>
>>> The behaviour on resizing the dialog seems to be different in kicad
>>> vs. eeschema / pcbnew. When you are resizing the dialogs in the width
>>> the Hotkey column gets bigger and bigger in kicad.
>>> Manual resizing of the columns is not available (yet).
>>>
>>> The text above the Treeview doesn't re-wrap on resize.
>>>
>>> Then, I am a bit worried about the Reset button.
>>> Imagine I've changed several hotkeys but only want
>>> to reset one of the keys back to its default.
>>> Once I hit the Reset button, all keys get set back
>>> to kicad defaults and not only the one with the
>>> highlit row.
>>> Oops... Do I need to restart from beginning?
>>>
>>> I might be very picky in these things, but I really try
>>> to avoid getting used to non-intuitive behaviour in programs.
>>> (Was doing lots of sw qualification in the past.)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> CKO
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-01-06 16:19, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>>>> Okay, a couple of bugs have been pointed out to me related to how wx 
>>>> handles "special" keys in various controls. Apparently OSX users can't 
>>>> set hotkeys at *all*, and on other platforms certain keys can't be set. 
>>>> I'm working on a fix for this, probably will have to rip out that bit of 
>>>> the logic and rewrite.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not going to submit a new patch until it's fully tested on all 
>>>> platforms, with all keys and in all of the applications. That'll take a 
>>>> few days. In the meantime, hotkey assignment is somewhat broken. Wayne, 
>>>> feel free to revert 6422 and 6424 if you want (or don't, it's up to 
>>>> you), I'll have a working version soon.
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the buggy noise. I'll have to test wx-related things 
>>>> rather more thorougly in the future.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris
>>>>
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