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[Ben Hest <bombledmonk@xxxxxxxxx>]

Random person chiming in here, but in the web world, it's generally best
practice to avoid flags unless localized names are used with multiple
redundant language entries.  The basic principal has had some passionate
people speak out on the subject and the most common conclusion is that
Flags != Language.  For further opinions on the subject see this article:
http://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog/why-flags-do-not-represent-language/

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> Den 25/02/2016 14.46 skrev "jp charras" <jp.charras@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > Le 25/02/2016 14:34, Simon Wells a écrit :
> > > can we not just use the localized version of the language name?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:29 AM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > >> On 2/25/2016 1:47 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > >>> And BTW, we have all accepted that flags for languages are bad.
> >
> > Who is "all" ?
> >
> > I don't remember I said "flags for languages are bad"
>
> I don't literally mean "all" developers here. It is meant as a
> generalisation, here used as a way to express my opinion. If you look
> around you, you will likely find a similar opinion if you ask anyone who
> have actually spent two minutes of their life reflecting about this issue.
>
> > >>
> > >> What's the alternative, English text?  Is English text alone useful
> for
> > >> users who don't know any English?  I guess it's not an issue when
> there
> > >> are translations for the user's default language.  I realize the flags
> > >> aren't ideal but is there a better solution?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> 2016-02-25 7:44 GMT+01:00 Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > >>>> I think it might be a good idea to make the menu only list the
> > >>>> languages found. But I don't think the languages menu should be
> > >>>> removed. I think it should either just show the "Default" entry, or
> > >>>> say in the menu that now language files was found.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am not really sure why it is considered testing, but I suspect
> that
> > >>>> Jean-Pierre or somone else knows something more about that, but I
> > >>>> could be wrong.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If no one knows why this is considered testing, I would suggest that
> > >>>> we don't do that, because it is really usefull, and a user using non
> > >>>> english native language on his desktop expect that it should be
> > >>>> possible to change it to english. This is also very useful for bug
> > >>>> reporting. Maybe we should even note that in our little bug
> reporting
> > >>>> guide.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Nick
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2016-02-25 5:24 GMT+01:00 Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > >>>>> any comments on this?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>>>> From: Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:26 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: Language List
> > >>>>> To: KiCad Developers <kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Currently the Language List throughout kicad advises it is used
> for testing only
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> common/pgm_base.cpp:72  *   The selection of languages is mainly
> for
> > >>>>> maintainer's convenience
> > >>>>> the tooltip for the languages option in preferences is also "only
> used
> > >>>>> for testing!"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If this is the case do we really need the flags, Apart from being
> > >>>>> rather over the top for a testing feature flags while they can look
> > >>>>> pretty (yet seem to be disabled on most platforms) aren't very
> > >>>>> accurate as to the language, and should it be moved into #ifdef
> DEBUG
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I am currently making it so that it will only add the languages
> that
> > >>>>> are found in the paths as being able to select a language that
> isn't
> > >>>>> installed is not very useful. And the languages menu will not even
> be
> > >>>>> available if no i18n files are located
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If we decide to keep the flags would it not make more sense to move
> > >>>>> these to the i18n repo so that adding a language would not require
> > >>>>> effort from both programmers and translators, how my code will
> work is
> > >>>>> that it will automatically update the list with any languages that
> are
> > >>>>> detected
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> thanks
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Simon
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
> >
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-Ben