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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

THANK YOU.

We argue about the bloody footprint workflow _constantly_, I can't
really say I appreciate another attempt to derail a thread by bringing
it back up.

On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 09:59:54AM -0600, Adam Wolf wrote:
> Hi folks!
> 
> If it isn't too much of an imposition, can we move this discussion
> about footprint and symbol philosophy that we seem to constantly have
> going into its own thread, or maybe even off-list?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Adam Wolf
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Justin Partain
> <justinwpartain1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > At my workplace, we use this workflow as well.  Each real "part" is a symbol
> > as its base, with BOM info in the symbol properties, with a specific
> > footprint for each part. Out of the four EE's doing schematic/layout here,
> > we never open  CvPCB.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Justin Partain
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Clemens Koller <cko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello, Chris!
> >>
> >> Eeschema    -> Schematic editor
> >>
> >> Pcbnew      -> Layout editor
> >>
> >> Cvpcb       -> move it to Library editor or manager
> >>
> >> BTW: Assignment of a footprints seems to me completely odd at this level.
> >>
> >> When I create a part it consist of a partname, schematic symbol, an
> >> assigned footprint, a 3d-model, and some attributes all in
> >> one place. Then I grab that part by its partname (like the handle of a
> >> suitcase) and use it in the schematics. From there it gets
> >> forwarded to the layout, bill-of-materials and assembly data and
> >> optionally to an 3d-renderer without any additional tweaking.
> >>
> >> A part to buy, i.e. named "LTC6362CMS8" comes already with all the
> >> information to be placed in the suitcase - it has exactly one type of
> >> footprint (here MSOP-8, JEDEC MO-187-AA). I don't see any reason to assign
> >> different footprints to parts, because they usually have only one.
> >>
> >> It's a different story if there will be some solder yield tweaking to
> >> automagically replace/update *all* footprints of a design by using a
> >> different process library. (i.e. use RoundRect shapes vs. Rectangular shapes
> >> to improve tombstoning or solderpaste release.)
> >> Here, we are thinking to generate footprints dynamically depending on
> >> soldering process parameters - but an MSOP-8 will still be an MSOP-8.
> >>
> >> Pl Editor   -> Template editor (we might want to edit other stuff as well
> >> such as board outlines for PCIe and similar things)
> >>
> >> Bitmap2Component -> Remove as independent app, make "Import image" in
> >> libedit and modedit (dito.)
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Clemens
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2017-02-02 14:56, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >> > I admit I'm getting self-indulgent here, this request is definitely a
> >> > bit "what Chris would do if made Dictator of KiCad", but... just testing
> >> > the waters here:
> >> >
> >> > What do people think about, for either the 5.0 or 6.0 release, ditching
> >> > the old application names, in favor of everything being one tool under
> >> > the "KiCad" roof:
> >> >
> >> > Eeschema    -> Schematic editor
> >> > Pcbnew      -> PCB editor, or Layout editor, or Board editor
> >> > Cvpcb       -> "Assign Footprints"
> >> > Pl Editor   -> Title block editor
> >> > Bitmap2Component    -> Remove as independent app, make "Import image" in
> >> >                        libedit and modedit
> >> >
> >> > I know this one is going to be controversial, but I don't really see the
> >> > point of these old names. They're... weird. Cvpcb - what does that even
> >> > mean? :P
> >> >
> >>
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