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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yup. I'd probably consider moving the elements around a bit so that
"Select working layer" isn't broken into two sections.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:54:51PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote:
> FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with
> KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how things
> work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD, graphics,
> etc):
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png
> 
> -Jon
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > By the way.
> >
> > https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer-manager/5421
> >
> > Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty conclusive
> > right now ;)
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > Sent to wrong recipient.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote:
> > > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit :
> > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> > > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting the
> > user know
> > > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click would
> > allow
> > > > > >> them to change the color is gone.  Other than that, it looks
> > great.  I
> > > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect.  Bind has a much cleaner
> > > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the
> > proper way
> > > > > >> to handle events.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them for long
> > > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning who
> > never
> > > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the buttons
> > to
> > > > > > make them work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its
> > selection
> > > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours?
> > > > >
> > > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the active
> > layer or to change the color layer.
> > > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours".
> > > > >
> > > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is:
> > > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the working
> > layer.
> > > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, whatever
> > you are clicking.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the color,
> > then a single left click should
> > > > > open the color dialog.
> > > >
> > > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer manager.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times, when
> > clicking inside the layer
> > > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the active
> > layer, especially if you are too
> > > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of the
> > mouse.
> > > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was opening the
> > dialog)
> > > > >
> > > > > A wise decision is never obvious.
> > > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a good
> > reason.
> > > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises)
> > > >
> > > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make an
> > > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color well, and
> > > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't kicad.
> > > >
> > > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other applications is
> > > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in KiCad".
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote:
> > > > > >>> Hi,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in Linux
> > under new
> > > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
> > kicad/+bug/1605411
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, since
> > they
> > > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button
> > affordance
> > > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was invisible, so
> > it
> > > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> * Linux as it was:
> > > > > >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/
> > view
> > > > > >>> * OSX as it was:
> > > > > >>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot%
> > 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png
> > > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic out of
> > the
> > > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other clients,
> > for
> > > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with Bind for
> > > > > >>> consistency in that file.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> John
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
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